Like you said de727ups, I cant understand why PFT is still an acceptable practice. Maybe its cause us younger guys are part of the 'now' generation and some seem to want things without waiting. The whole thing seems like a scam almost, i would rather be an indentured servant at mesa than PFT. Plus that is one of those stigmas you can never shake, although not everyone you come in contact with is going to know about I guess. Misguided is what it boils down to I think.