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Old 11-07-2006 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by kaos
you are the man, so you practice the 'real' thing, it means that you squak 7700 and you communicate to ATC or whoever that you have an emergency? because if you dont and someone else is flying near you...well something might happen!!! or you tell me that you have a radar on board
kaos I knew this would be a controversial post but it appears that you are simply afraid of doing something that you have never done.

Do gliders equipped with transponders squawk 7700?

Do I, as a glider pilot, transmit to ATC on my handheld?

Do I get particularly worried when I land at a field that powered airplanes are using concurrently with my glider?

Do I have radar on board of course not; I said in my original post that the weather had to be good. No need for Wx Radar. Perhaps you meant TCAS

I think the point is obvious, fear of the unknown is a normal human reaction, but as you gain more experience you will realize that gliding an airplane to a landing is not very difficult.

Originally Posted by kaos
if its a competent CFI he can teach you the power management with power off and not killing the engine.
Very true, but I didn't say power management - I said energy management - very big difference.
Originally Posted by kaos
Bob Hoover (and he was a very good pilot, maybe one of the best of all) was practicing engine off landings. every time for the area he was flying it was issued a TFR, and the area was under radar control.
This is a false statement; Mr. Hoover had TFR's for air shows that he flew at just like all air shows have TFR's. He did not have TFR's issued for his practice sessions, about 20 years ago I watched Bob Hoover practice in a commander, in the desert of California, it was very interesting and informative in his use of ENERGY management. We flew in and out no TFR (even though they weren’t called TFR’s back then)

Also speaking about very good pilots Bary Schiff in his proficient pilot books advocates the intelligent use engine out landings, along with many other long time pilots.

Originally Posted by kaos
it is unsafe to practice the "real" thing, it is just an adrenaline game that doenst add any good.
I agree to you it would be an adrenaline game, fear causes an adrenaline rush, but to an experienced person there is no adrenaline rush. That is my point, gliding an airplane to a landing over an airport should not cause a rush to any pilot. If it does then they should realize that they have a certain interpretation about this.

People make mistakes when stressed out and then bad things happen - a cool proficient pilot is more likely to have a positive outcome.

Originally Posted by kaos
if something goes wrong (and you are putting yourself in a path for a disaster) and you make it out and you kill someone else what you will say to the NTSB...that you were soaring powerless to feel the "real" thing!!!
you just have to think all the consequences of everything you are doing up in the sky.
its fun if everyone play safe
This is plainly situational ethics at best. If you are so scared of life than don't get out of bed and especially don't fly.

As pilots we manage risks, I put in my previous post how to minimize risks.

What is making you uncomfortable is the unknown. You view something in a controlled environment as a risky maneuver. I view it as less risky than doing a engine cut below Vmc with a new ME student.

For you safety is what you have experienced, this is your comfort zone and I am clearly out of you comfort zone. I highly suggest that you take some soaring lessons and widen your horizon.

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