First, you're right, the cow has left the barn. Let it go. However, if you've got time to kill, it would be easy to figure it out looking at the list of each company. What may be harder is to see what happens to carriers with FEs. UPS saw a surplus of pilots when they parked the DC8s. Not only did they take airplanes out of the system, they took 3 man airplanes out of the system and a lot of the FEs were between 60-65. Depending on how fast FedEx parks its 3-holers will be how fast it impacts its system. I think that one of the managers at UPS has said there was 260 guys over 60, they want to furlouugh 300. How many guys are over 60 at CAL? They have few on furlough. If I were you, I'd embrace the Herk and wait for 2013. Good luck.