Originally Posted by
lolwut
To those of you who are, have been, or are otherwise in the know about being a 121 line check airman... I'm curious as to what the standard ways of logging time are. The following situations are those with which I'm curious... Zero desire to log any "sketchy" time, only 100% legit time...
When (if ever) would you log PIC while acting as SIC? Does the whole... when acting as an instructor, you may log PIC even if not PIC thing from back in the CFI days... apply?
When (if ever) would you log "dual instruction given"? Only on OE? When acting as an LCA (OE or line check) from a crewmember station? When acting as an LCA in any fashion, even if from the jumpseat? If dual given is logged, do you record dual received for the candidate or do airline training records suffice?
Now a real wolrd example: You've given a line check to a qualified and acting PIC. You're sitting right seat and acting as SIC. You've decided to log this time as dual given and SIC. Airlineapps, on the otherhand, asks for PIC, SIC, and Instructor. It then adds your instructor and PIC time together to get total PIC. This results the SIC time for this OE being counted by airlineapps as PIC time. How would you handle this?
Thanks for the advice all!
Ok, I was a 121 chief check airman and APD for a number of years so I will try to answer your questions.
Your company (i.e. dispatch) has to designate a PIC for a particular flight - if you are not that person then you should not log PIC. Doesn't matter what seat you are in or what duties you are performing.
If you are giving OE to a captain - then by definition that captain is not yet qualified in that position, therefore you are PIC even if you are preforming the duties of the SIC. Of course, if you are giving OE, then you should be the designated PIC anyway - and the one signing the release.
LCA in 121 operations are not required to be CFI's nor are you automatically qualified to be a company instructor - why? because you are not giving dual instruction during OE (not officially though it may feel like it at times!). So I would not log time giving OE as "dual given" since you are not acting as an instructor. So to answer you senario - if you in the right seat giving a line check to a qualified captain, and that captain is designated by the company as the PIC for that flight - then you should not log it as PIC or dual given - only SIC.
If you are giving a LC from the jumpseat then you should not log that time at all.
So, to recap - if you are designated by the company as the PIC then log it as PIC. If not, then log it as SIC. If you are in the jumpseat it doesn't get logged. And none of the above counts as dual given.
Edited to add: dual instruction - that is time where you are using your CFI or instructor qualifications - is never given during 121 (or 135) revenue operations. Airline apps has it right in this case.