Logging time when acting as a Check Airman
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I log my LCA flight time like Dash8 said. But like you I wanted personal record of instructor duties in case it were to come up in an interview. I am creating a separate log with comments of all LCA duties (including non/flying or JS). This way I don't add confusion to the standard logging format, but I can still print up a log to show what I've been doing all these months of sitting on reserve doing L/Cs.
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I also created a column for LCA and then simply made a note as to what capacity I was acting in. I also agree do not log any time from the jumpseat. What really is going to matter to a prospective employer is that your company chose you to be a check airman. I do not think that the amount of hours you logged in that capacity is that important.
#15
Lots of incorrect information on this thread. The logging of flight time is addressed only one place in the FAR's, Part 61. The airline interviewer may have a different definition of PIC in mind, and you should be ready to give him accurate numbers according to his personal definition. However, what goes into your logbook should comply with Part 61 only. With that in mind, the quoted text below is absolutely false.
If you are a type-rated co-pilot, any time during which you are the sole manipulator of the controls should be logged as PIC.
If you are a type-rated co-pilot, any time during which you are the sole manipulator of the controls should be logged as PIC.
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Lots of incorrect information on this thread. The logging of flight time is addressed only one place in the FAR's, Part 61. The airline interviewer may have a different definition of PIC in mind, and you should be ready to give him accurate numbers according to his personal definition. However, what goes into your logbook should comply with Part 61 only. With that in mind, the quoted text below is absolutely false.
If you are a type-rated co-pilot, any time during which you are the sole manipulator of the controls should be logged as PIC.
If you are a type-rated co-pilot, any time during which you are the sole manipulator of the controls should be logged as PIC.
So lets take a look at FAR 61.51 (e)(1):
(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time. (1) A recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in- command time only for that flight time during which that person --
(i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated;
(ii) Is the sole occupant of the aircraft; or
(iii) Except for a recreational pilot, is acting as pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted.
Whats funny is that it only mentions recreational, private, and commercial rated pilots. I'm guessing that if you are PIC type rated in a 121 operation you probably have an ATP. You, therefore, have to read on to 61.51 (e)(2) which talks about ATP's. Specifically:
"An airline transport pilot may log as pilot-in-command time all of the flight time while acting as pilot-in-command of an operation requiring an airline transport pilot certificate."
The FAA (in FAR part 1) is pretty clear about what "acting as pilot-in-command" means - and it has nothing to do with manipulation of the controls. I stand by my previous "should's" - even more so since the original poster was specifically talking about filling out an airline application.
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How could you possibly be the sole manipulator of the controls anyway of an aircraft that requires two pilots by its type certificate? I assume the non-flying pilot manipulated at least some of the flight controls (flaps, etc.) at some point...
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Lots of incorrect information on this thread. The logging of flight time is addressed only one place in the FAR's, Part 61. The airline interviewer may have a different definition of PIC in mind, and you should be ready to give him accurate numbers according to his personal definition. However, what goes into your logbook should comply with Part 61 only. With that in mind, the quoted text below is absolutely false.
If you are a type-rated co-pilot, any time during which you are the sole manipulator of the controls should be logged as PIC.
If you are a type-rated co-pilot, any time during which you are the sole manipulator of the controls should be logged as PIC.
(iii) Except for a recreational pilot, is acting as pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted.
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