Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
Originally Posted by
ToiletDuck 
1) Republic announced Frontier before Midwest who cares about announced, when was it final. Midwest July 30th, Frontier Oct 1.
2) Amalgamation of contracts has no set rules. The company can simply say no all day long. Not really. Look at dal/nw and ual/cal.
3) There was also the inclusion of Lynx and Mokulele at the time who also were to be represented
4) At that point in time both Frontier and Midwest didn't want to integrate let alone amalgamate contracts. Pure speculation by you.
5) Contract neg. was stopped for good reason. There was a lot going on and a lot of questions that needed answering. Each union found out the same way we did, though the news, and needed to make sure they had all of their ducks in a row before proceeding forward.
6) Without everyone on a single seniority list the amalgamation and negotiation of a new contract would just be a large flop See how dal/nw and ual/cal are doing it? There's no airline with multiple pilot groups that have benefited from not being on the same seniority list. See Mesa/Freedom, GoJets/TSA. Past history dictates moving forward without being combined is extremely risky. I'm not debating this. Just the way IBT has done this is backwords because a reasonable person would assume after a year of work on this SLI it would actually accomplish something. It doesn't. It's a list of numbers with no legal authority to do anything without a transition agreement that directs it's implementation. The only benefit of doing it this way is the IBT can hang on a little longer. If they would have done it via the method that dal/nw and cal/ual have used, the IBT would be gone by now.
There's no benefit for Frontier to maintain separate. Everyone agreed to integration, to a timeline, to get it completed in a timely manner. You don't place your bets then try and pull it back off the table once the cards are being dealt. Everyone agree to integrate the seniority list. Nothing more.
Interesting replies in red to ToiletDuck...sounds verbatim like the writings of a certain ALPA lawyer who uses a couple of folks to to his posting.
He forgets to mention that the merger of dal/nwa involved some screwing of the NWA pilots and a deal cut by the DAL MEC and ALPA that Prater denied he had signed...until a copy was handed to him.
Also forgets that there have been other mergers that have been royally screwed up...like NWA/Republic.
And that this merger involves three different unions. And they were smart enough to realize that it's better to get everything lined up before movng forward.
One things for sure. ALPA will love hitting you for more dues money. Don't expect much in return...ask the Midwest guys how much help Prater offered when he was up there for the rally when he promised to "change his zip code" ...he told them in a meeting they'd get nothing...because then ALL the little carriers would want the same help.
Regardless, expect him to be camped on your doorstep and your new "bestest" friend for the next three months. He's running for election again and is gonna start raiding every place he can, looking for votes.
And your money.
Not a fan of ALPA myself outside of their aeromedical department. So I assume you approve of the route the IBT has taken in this case.