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Old 08-09-2010 | 02:03 PM
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the FA union and the pilot union at RAH are two very different organazations that are totally unrelated to each other. Saying that it is the same union is like saying the Mesa MEC and Delta ALPA are the same union.
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Old 08-10-2010 | 08:58 AM
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additionally, if you read the results of the F/A NMB filing you will see that many of the details identified to NOT make a single carrier no longer aplly at RAH. More consolidation of people and positions have occured making things more "singular" if you will. a single carrier filing now would more probably be approved...
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Old 08-11-2010 | 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Killer51883
the FA union and the pilot union at RAH are two very different organazations that are totally unrelated to each other. Saying that it is the same union is like saying the Mesa MEC and Delta ALPA are the same union.
FA's - IBT
Pilots - IBT

FA's Legal Representation - Baptiste and Wilder
Pilots Legal Representation - Baptiste and Wilder

FA's Attorney - William Wilder
FA's Attorney - William Wilder

Attorney that submitted the SC petition with the NMB - W Wilder

Attorney that submitted that all YX FA's should automatically become IBT - W Wilder

Attorney that submitted that A-M and M-B no longer apply when it became apparent that the IBT would not capture all of the RAH FA's- W Wilder

Attorney that is representing the IBT Pilots - W Wilder

Attorney that will eventually submit the SC Petition again - W Wilder

Different Locals? Yes
Totally unrelated? I respectfully disagree
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Old 08-11-2010 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by sizzlechest
additionally, if you read the results of the F/A NMB filing you will see that many of the details identified to NOT make a single carrier no longer aplly at RAH. More consolidation of people and positions have occured making things more "singular" if you will. a single carrier filing now would more probably be approved...
Until Chq, shuttle and republic starts to sell there own tickets, you are going to have a hard time establishing single carrier.

Additionally, with airplanes painted in different colors, UAL, DAL, USA, AA, F9, the NMB would have to contradict previous decisions to grant RAH single carrier.

There are also a number of operational differences that need to removed prior to any decision. It may happen in the future, but it is more than likely distant.
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Old 08-11-2010 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by zoooropa
Until Chq, shuttle and republic starts to sell there own tickets, you are going to have a hard time establishing single carrier.

Additionally, with airplanes painted in different colors, UAL, DAL, USA, AA, F9, the NMB would have to contradict previous decisions to grant RAH single carrier.

There are also a number of operational differences that need to removed prior to any decision. It may happen in the future, but it is more than likely distant.
The NMB is concerned about collective bargaining and unions and membership not so much marketing. RAH has one seniority list so there is one collective group for mediation purposes. The livery is irrelevant as well for the same reasons. The operational differences are being lined-up as each day goes by I'm told. One VP for each department, One HR, etc. The operating certificates will be separate but NMB wouldn't be concerned there. I will see if I can find the link to the F/A arbitration results.

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2010/37n032.pdf

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Old 08-11-2010 | 02:49 PM
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There are numerous decisions by the nmb that include marketing and livery as a component of the nmb's decision.

There is a two part test conducted by the NMB. Hensens declaration to the nmb during the last petition only cited MWA(republic airlines), because that is the only carrier out of all the rah carriers that passes the first part of the test.

Anything can and probably will happen. If it was just republic and frontier it would be a done deal. I don't see how you can include the fixed fee operators that are not marketed and do not sell tickets. We will see soon enough, prob by the end of the year.
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Old 08-11-2010 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by zoooropa
There are numerous decisions by the nmb that include marketing and livery as a component of the nmb's decision.

There is a two part test conducted by the NMB. Hensens declaration to the nmb during the last petition only cited MWA(republic airlines), because that is the only carrier out of all the rah carriers that passes the first part of the test.

Anything can and probably will happen. If it was just republic and frontier it would be a done deal. I don't see how you can include the fixed fee operators that are not marketed and do not sell tickets. We will see soon enough, prob by the end of the year.
are you saying that chautauqua, shuttle, and half of republic should not be in the same single carrier as frontier and the other half of republic?
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Old 08-11-2010 | 05:17 PM
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I don't know what the nmb is going to decide. I also don't know what the holding company is going to look like when all of this actually transpires. The only constant is change, continous change, inevitable change...
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Old 08-12-2010 | 05:39 AM
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