Originally Posted by
CE750
TonyC, while I agree with you on this (I think), I don't think we need to get personal...
Nor do I, and that's why I decided to refrain from engaging him in a PM exchange. He's the one that attempted to impugn me because of 135 experience. That's not only personal, it's petty and irrelevant.
Originally Posted by
CE750
From what I've read on A320Fumes posts in this thread, he's only trying to make sense of this.. and much of what he said is true..
OK, well let's review. (Condensed for ease of reading)
Originally Posted by
A320fumes
[Affirmative action is] a relic, just like all of those other topics, abortion, gay-marriage,flag-burning, etc. Their sole purpose is to divide and get politicians re-elected.
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Politics is a world of absolutes lately. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Originally Posted by
A320fumes
Wha?
Didn't mean to poo on anything. Just stating that none of these topics will ever get resolved until we all realize that we don't have a monopoly on the truth.
That was a wierd response to my statement. Was that Nitze, or Fallwell?
Originally Posted by
A320fumes
True but VERY, VERY few things are black or white and it's very dangerous for one to think they have a handle on that.
A320Fumes has equated Affirmative Action to just another "topic" whose sole purpose is to get people re-elected. Flag-burning is just another "topic" whose purpose is to get people re-elected. Abortion is just another "topic" whose purpose is to get people re-elected?
These people who refuse to acknowledge the existance of a wrong and a right make me nauseous. Flag-burning was not a "topic" invented to get people re-elected. Flag-burning is either wrong or right, it's not in between. You and I might disagree on which it is, but it's not both. Abortion is not a topic that was invented to get someone re-elected. It's either right to vacuum a mass of tissue from a woman's uterus, or it's wrong to extact an unborn fetus from a mother's womb. It's either right for two persons of the same gender to marry, or it's wrong.
Now, you and I may disagree on which is which, or under what certain conditions one is right and the other is wrong, but we won't languish in some morally bankrupt ooze of uncertainty, vacillating (my tribute to President Carter for adding the word to our vocabulary) between one this hour, and the other the next hour. A320Fumes can't even decide if he's really alive or dead, so it doesn't surprise me that he can't take a stand on the more complex issues.
Originally Posted by
CE750
Politicians do divide us.. many of us have to choose:
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So you see, in the end it's not always black or white, even if on certain things like Abortion is clearly is.
If we're talking about politicians, it's unlikely we'll ever find one that shares each and every view that we personally hold. We'll always have to pick the one that affords the better match. But we weren't talking about politicians, we were talking about
issues, specifically the issue of Affirmative Action.
(See there, we're back on topic.)
You took a black or white stand on 18 issues without even batting an eye. A320Fumes implied that all those issues are invented to re-elect politicians, and we are wrong to take a black or white stance on any of them. He said it's very dangerous for you to think you have a handle on that truth.
Do you agree with that?
Stand for something, or you'll fall for anything.
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