Originally Posted by
FlyJSH
IF 141 stage check failures become reportable, then the schools will just figure out a way around failing so many students. Maybe they would call some "incomplete", or send the student up for a mock stage check with a check airman which could, at the discretion of the check airman, be converted to an actual stage check depending on the student's performance (test in lieu of training).
Ultimately you can spot a 141 "failure" in someone's logbook. The schools would have to get REALLY devious about trying to cover those up...basically no logbook entries for "incomplete" checkrides.
Also if the FAA makes 141 failures reportable, they would be documented just like 61 failures and the DPE's would be putting THEIR ticket on the line if they covered it up.
141 operations have done the mock-stage-check-converted-to-real-stage-check deal before but that was allowed because 141 is kind of fuzzy on when you do the 8710...it could be done after-the-fact.
If the FAA changes the rules then an 8710 will be required BEFORE any event which could result in a certificate being issued...you would have to clearly violate the protocol to get around issuing a pink slip.
I think 141 needs to be on the same program as 61 as far as this goes. There is no valid reason why they should be any different (other than it's a good marketing gimmick).