Originally Posted by
pokey9554
Not if the student didn't pass the oral.
DPEs do not administer stage checks. A school examiner who happens to be a DPE can administer a stage check.
141 stage checks are NOT the same as check rides. A failed 141 stage check is NOT a failed check ride.
Sorry to bust on you Rick.
I was a 141 CP/examiner. I used the term loosely since a 141 examiner is equivalent to a DPE in that he can issue a certificate. Doesn't really matter what you call it.
Doesn't matter what you call the stage checks either...if they are not an EOC they don't count any more than any other training flight. If they are an EOC check then they are a checkride and should be treated the same as 61 as far as record-keeping goes.
But you are correct that a failed 141 oral is not going to be visible in someone's logbook. But if they should change the regs so that any failure of an oral of flight check will result in a pink slip...there is no good reason to allow 141 students an ability to hide their history to a greater extent than a 61 student..