Originally Posted by
tsquare
I disagree. I don't think these will go senior at all out of JFK/LGA. They will sign in at the crack of dawn.. and get back too late to commute home. Viola! a 3 day "turn". They will go junior at a base with 85% commuters.
Out of JFK, there will not be a west coast turn. There may be some other long turns. You may be right about JFK. Atlanta these go very senior. I would bet across the board they go much more senior than junior. Flight attendants are a perfect example.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
Flying day turns in my body cycle was the most rested I have ever been as a airline pilot. Slept in my own bed every night. No disruptions, all nighters ect... Trying to run the safety flag up on the turns is not going to work. You will never have a more rested crew then one that is flying 2 turns a week compared to the standard 3 to 5 day trips. Lets not even through international into the mix.
Doing these turns back to back to back with early shows, dealing with traffic and late drives home, only to do it again doesn't sound restful to me (30 hours in 3 days).....personally I'd rather have a good 3 day. It will be less time but I know I will be more rested.
Also we are talking about just two legs. It can be up to and including 4 legs and the duty day can be extended to 15 hours with a 0700-1259 sign in. So on that third 10 flight hour day, with four legs, with weather and an extended duty day taking you all the way up to 15 hours, with a 64 year old at the helm......safety???, Don't think so. I think 8 hours of flight time is safer, no doubt in my mind. So if you sign in at 1259, that means you could legally be on duty until 0359, after flying 10 hard hours with 4 legs. ALPA still hasn't given an official response, other than blah blah blah...amazing. The only flag that needs to be raised is one that says BS.