Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
This is strange. First you tell me I'm just knocking some other guy with my own "facts", then you say I'm right. You seem confused.
Nice edit job
Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
Look Einstein, it's not pilot "purists" that believe this. There is NO study in existence that states fatigue is improved by working longer hours. If I'm wrong, I trust you'll post the study.
Your rather frugal with the compliments so I'll take the Einstein crack as such.
Your quote "facts" as if you have volumes of scientific studies at your finger tips. So share them with us. I have only the internet and what Google finds at my current disposal. The best sources I could find in short order are a collection of 14 published papers on pilots fatigue collected by the European Pilots Association
Pilot Fatigue: Scientific Studies | European Cockpit Association (ECA) the first one
http://www.eurocockpit.be/sites/defa...rt_09_0122.pdf seems to be as all encompassing as any. I also reviewed EU-OPS Subpart Q, the pan European flight and duty regs. Its was interesting to note that EU-OPS nor studies I glanced over mentioned flight time as it relateds to day to day, only duty period limits. I'm not saying it shouldn't, but I cannot find a study about either that relates any flight time limit to fatigue, only time on duty.
Maybe Carl can post his (scientific papers) links in rebuttal. [/Quote]
Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
Unbelievable. The facts and science are clearly on our side, but we play into their hands if we refuse to compromise? Wow. You are a manager's/regulator's dream!
Carl
The only "dreams" I have are a day when I and my fellow brothers don't have to drool all night on flights to ANC. I dream of my union not having to trade hard pay and bennies for QOL scheduling issues and having to fly to FAR limits as we now can (during a defined "operational emergency").
We,as in pilots have been down this road before, look up pilot duty limits as proposed in the mid 90's, the industry was able to shoot them down.
I beieive in the same things you do Carl, I just think my goals are more pragmatic. I would love it if we could keep the best of what we have and fix the worst of what is out there. On the back side of the clock and international flying, we, as a group, are at a deep disadvantage. I don't think the sunrise to sunset crowd fully understands or cares. When I read comments about how many (pilot) jobs it will cost if we allow over 8 for day flying, I see guys more concerned with their wallet and seniority rather than rest and fatigue. Make this a money issue and we will surely lose. I expect that thinking from Wall Street and Airline CEO's, not fellow pilots.