If you're going to post here acl, you've got to pay attention. Stay off those ALPA talking points for a moment and try to remember the different conversations going on here. To wit:

ALPA apologists here were talking about what a great job everyone did during bankruptcy, and how everyone had no choice during the 1113C process. Someone else posted that it wasn't true and that Hawaiian pilots showed how you could turn down the first TA in the bk process, and get a much better deal with the second TA. ALPA apologists came on and told me that it was just my factless opinion. I stripped out all opinion and just stated the facts that Hawaiian pilots turned down their first TA, and accepted the second TA which contained much better language. NWA and DAL pilots accepted their first TA's.

Nowhere did I say or infer that any of that was ALPA national's fault.

Carl