Originally Posted by Bph320

As a UAL pilot I by no means expect the end result to be exactly they way I would hope. * * There will be give and take on both sides regardless of what the egos are shoveling on this forum. * *I have stated before that the 747 and 777 should be banded together for the sole purpose of not having the highest pay rate disappear when the planes go away sometime in the next 7 years. * Since *the 767s and 757s are banded together in terms of equipment bids they should pay the same *The entire 737 fleet is bid the same and *I think the pay rates for those pilots should be the same. * If you fly the 757on your first leg you should be paid the same rate for your next leg when you fly the 767. * Same goes for flying the 737-500 then flying the 900. * I guess this rational idea seem radical and maybe arrogant to some. * I just feel that whatever seat/fleet you are currently flying you should get paid the same regardless of the variant. * *


As we are all trying to measure our private parts to man up each other you cannot deny certain facts regarding the current make up of both carriers. *With 26-747s and 52-777s there are almost 2200 pilots flying wide bodies at UAL and that does not include 767s. * If the 767s were part of that group that would bring it up another 600 or so to about 2800 pilots.

**The respective body count at CAL has 22-777s with about 616 pilots(approximate) and if you add in ALL 767s you are looking at about another 476 pilots for around 1100 total. *

Now this means that over 1/3 of UAL pilots are flying wide-bodies and less than 1/4 of CAL are flying wide bodies based on what CAL defines as a wide-body. *

Another interesting factual comparison regarding the 757s. * UAL has 97planes with about 1358 pilots flying them. *CAL has 62 planes with approx. 868 pilots flying them. *

When comparing the entire A320 at UAL to the entire 737 fleet at CAL the relative comparison is reversed. *

Now before you get your panties up in a twist, this doesn't make UAL the Wide Body Kings as some arrogant PhukHair put it but it doesn't make CAL the SkyKings either. * It is just a factual fleet/manpower comparison. * *To some these comparisons mean everything to others it means nothing.*

The bottom line here is that both sides need to stuff their egos and attitudes into a box so we can get to an agreement and get this deal under one certificate so we can all enjoy the maximum benefit of this merger. I don't care about how anyone feels about this merger. *It is a done deal and we have to move forward. *