Nope.. not gonna let that slide. Payrates have been defined and negotiated the same way in this industry as long as anyone can remember. "Saving typing space" is lazy. I know you don't want to try and build a contract here on the forum, but by stating crap about how great the big iron is and that we need these huge rates for it sets an expectation.. whether intentional or not. It is a defacto way of negotiating without actually doing it because everybody will read it as.. well the 777/747 gets $350/hr.. that means I will get X... Same old way of thinking about it. I know I am tilting at windmills here, because I can guarantee you that the negotiators don't get it.. so go ahead.. like I said before.. build the same old same old. Carl will get to retire with a billion dollars, and you will be lucky to get a hundred grand... and it's your own short sighted thinking that's responsible... good for Carl. Wish I was him.