Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
Because you have such poor knowledge of our industry's history, you refer to boom and bust cycles. In my 32 years and 3 ALPA airlines, I've seen steady increases, and one bust caused by the historic terrorist attacks of 9/11. That is not a boom bust cycle. Your attempts to paint our decades long history of fighting to keep the profession as lucrative as possible as some sort of senseless "boom bust cycle" shows your disdain for all the folks that came before you. You are such a sad example of the "me first" generation. Everything you enjoy now, you owe to old farts like me who fought those battles over 30 years. Everything I have now, I owe to the even older farts who did the same for me. You are clueless and disrespecful.
Drama. Read my previous post. It has been since 1996 so, not decades but it is going on 15 years.
Just remember you best thinking got us where we are today!!
The way to begin that positive trend is to stop lowering the expectations of your fellow pilots as you do nearly constantly.
Again more rhetoric. It is not lowering expectation. It is not promising the world getting it and then having to sell it back. It is called, getting what we demand but doing it in a way that keeps it sustainable. I do not know why you do not see that. If that way does not work, or does not give us what we want, we always can go back to the way you suggest, and we will just get more of the same.
That's good. We may need to do just that. As always, I hope not, but we all need to be prepared.
We do. There is always a possibility of that, but why not try a different approach. If it does not work, we still have our rights on the RLA.
Diplomacy has almost run its course here dude. We are the world's largest airline and we are not at the top of our industry in one single category...not one. In some cases, we are near the worst in the industry. Reserve guarantee, sick leave, vacation, just to name a few. This is unacceptable for the pilots of a hugely profitable airline. An airline that OWES those profits to the enormous cuts taken during BK. What's worse, our management will not lift a finger to offer a mid contract boost to us before 2012. Their view is: "Hey, a contract is a contract." That wasn't their view when we gave our airline concession in mid contract.
Time to let management know that if they don't want to talk until December of 2012, we'll be polishing and loading the cannons...just in case.
Carl
Carl; what happened with the JPWA is in the past. Look at the surrounding world. Look at the job market. Look at the recession we have been though.
Look at what other majors have done. It ain't perfect by any stretch but our pilots voted for it. Both companies had made one quarter of profit at that point after years of billion dollar losses and CH11. Where we are not is a different place entirely. Like some have said, squeeze the chicken's neck, but by God do not choke him to deal since we rely on the chicken. What that entail is anyone's guess. It is too early to make that call.
I think they get that we want a lot in this next round. They know guys are beyond mad. Just look around you. It is not hard to see that. No one is whistling past the grave yard saying everything is fine. It is about the initial methodology. No more. The end game is the same.