Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat

Carl...

How can you, in all good conscience, argue facts with someone who in such a short career, have gained SO much knowledge?(grin)

Seriously...between going from where he was to where he is...and where he's going to be...he has not only accumulated thousands of hours of experience (well in excess of yours and your bretheren), full knowledge of the industry and ALPA (which YOU could have had you not been just snoozing since the 70's) and on top of all that, has gained financial and contractual accumen beyond the capabilities of all.

Didn't ALPA recently have a guy like that on the magazine as their "poster child?"

Prediction: He will, singlehandedly convert EVERY pilot at SWAPA. You read it here first!

Couple of thoughts. A few elections back, a UAL committee chairman asked Babbitt a simple question. "Do you know WHY we elected you?"

Randy, in his usual style, waxed upon his experience, dedication and background.

The Captain...one of their first 777 guys said, "No. We elected you to go to jail. We elected you to have a set of balls and stand up to management and the judge if necessary. To tell the judge, "where and when do I show up," while telling your lawyers, "my feet better not cross the jailhouse steps." THATS what we elected you for."

Needless to say, he was shocked.

Unless you have a union president who understands that, you're right...you haven't got a union, you have an association.

As far as APA and the contract with IPSC...understand that it is the FIRST contract that IPSC has ever gotten in the years it has been in existence.

Now that is no reflection on Seth...he's a good guy. However the inability of IPSC to get any business over the years shows a lack of confidence by others in the ability of ALPA to deliver on the product. Were this not the case, IPSC would have had people banging on the doors of the 8th Floor begging for assistance.

Oh wait...most of the 8th Floor got sold off to pay the bills.