Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
Carl;
RA made a comment that all airlines are debt own and controlled. Extrapolate that out. Furthermore, my banker buddies are very matter of fact about it.
I think your "banker buddies" are overstating their involvement. I cannot imagine any business that would allow bankers to call the shots for how they allocate money in the operation of the business. What's the point in having executives at DAL if your "banker buddies" are running things? And how do these bankers have time to focus on their banking business if they're having to run major airlines on top of it all? Could there be an opportunity for "synergy" here?!
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
Again, It is too early to state that restoration is too little or too much in 2012. Two quarters of profits is a start. I agree with you on one level, we should get paid what we are worth, but the second side of that, is currently the market forces (CH11) across the industry are stating that C2K wages and valuation are not what we are worth. Yes, we are worth a heck of a lot more, but given our confines of the NMB and RLA, other pilots compensation levels, etc, getting back to that in one leap will be no small feat.
Do you often disagree with yourself like that over such a short span of time?
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
As Sailing has stated, if that is the majority position I will support it fully. I too suspect that the majority position will be a lot different than what many on here think it should e. Change that opinion and support base, and the factors change.
For Clarification, I do not advocate or support a COLA adjustment for C2012. I do not even support a modest bump. We have a lot of ground to make up and where you and I differ is the means, not the ends. No one will ever state they do not want C2K rates. They just will question the likeliness of getting that in one cycle.
If anything, every pilot needs to fill this survey out.
So let me see if I got this right. You agree with Sailingfun that any significant progress towards restoration would break Delta Air Lines and that more "reasonable" pay increases are all we can hope for with C2012. The APA's request for partial restoration was way too much and would be way too much for us as well. You believe the majority of our pilots see it this way too. But if you are wrong about the way the majority sees this... and the majority does indeed expect significant progress to be made toward restoration in 2012, then you "fully support" that. You think it will break Delta Air Lines, but you're okay with that as long as that's what the majority wants... even though you think it's wrong.
See, it sounds to me like you want to play both sides of this. Either you believe restoration should be our goal, or you believe it shouldn't. I don't see where you can have it both ways. Given the severity of the cuts we took, this small bites of the apple approach just doesn't get us there... ever. Maybe by the end of your career it might. But what does that do to the overall value of this career that you've worked so hard for? And for most of our pilots who only have up to 20 years left, no way. The math just doesn't work... and I think most of the argument that you, sailingfun, et al. are making is just "smoke and mirrors."