Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

You had me at "billions of new jets"!

I seriously doubt that restoration of our pay would increase the overall costs at Delta to the point of effecting our credit ratings. I still think you are overstating the possible effect of our little piece of the pie getting restoration. Now financing "billions of new jets"... THAT would be expensive!!

So you think we need to be limited to "industry norms" in pilot compensation. That's very interesting considering you were one of the ones that up until recently was calling for significant steps toward restoration with C2012. I would remind you that the "industry norm" right now is at least 40% below what it has historically been. You don't have to be a math major to figure out that will take some VERY significant increases to overcome. Sounds to me like in reality you've given up on restoration. Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. Just don't expect me to be comfortable with that opinion and, especially, don't expect me to be comfortable with being represented by people who think like that.

You see, THAT is one of the real reasons why we are here even discussing DPA. ALPA has failed to make even the most basic efforts at restoration. I had a long sit in ATL yesterday and spent quite a bit of time visiting with a couple of the ATL LEC reps. I was actually impressed with what they had to say. They seem (at least they were saying the right things to me) to be coming around and on board with the idea of very significant increases for us with C2012. This is just my take on it, but I think maybe the old, LM way of thinking (apparently your way of thinking now) is on the way out.