Originally Posted by
Pineapple Guy
Carl, let me help out a bit. Considering that about 10,000 of our pilots are at or near 12th year pay, and the 12th year DC-9 F/O rate is $103, I'd say your numbers are off.
I don't think so. I said our average pay was about $100,000 per year. 103 per hour X 75 hours X 12 months equals $92,700. Those pilots not on 12th year pay will average considerably less. Captains considerably more. I think my average of $100,000 per year is pretty close.
But let's say the average is closer to $110,000 year. That's 1.375 billion. To get to C2K pay restoration will require a 60% bump. 60% of 1.375 billion is 825 million. It's nowhere near this figure of 2 billion, 3 billion and 4 billion that people keep stating. 750 million to 825 million. That ain't asking too much.
Originally Posted by
Pineapple Guy
Since roughly 50% are F/Os and 50% are Captains, let's use the B747 F/O rate of $143/hr as the "average" rate for these 10,000 guys. For the other 2500, we can use B 767 F/O 3rd year rate of $100.
According to ALPA the "average" pilot last year was paid 82 hr/month on average. So, the real math is closer to:
Top 10k pilots: 10,000 x 143 x 82 x 12 = $1.407B
Bottom 2.5k pilots: 2500 x 100 x 82 x 12 = $0.246B
Total = $1.65B for pay alone.
An average monthly hour figure of 82 hours is nuts. Reserve guarantee alone is 70 hours and most reserve pilots never get above 70 hours. The 82 hour figure is made up in my opinion.
But let's say that it's not and your total pay figure of 1.65 billion is correct. To get to C2K pay restoration, a 60% bump of 1.65 billion is 990 million...not 2 3 or 4 billion. Even at 990 million, that ain't too much to ask. But again, your 82 hour per month
average is wrong.
Originally Posted by
Pineapple Guy
I hope DPA's mathematician has better math skills than its biggest forum supporter.
Really?
Carl