Pay attention. I'm trying to take one step at a time here because people like you don't even read much less comprehend anyone's post. The first step I'm trying to get my arms around is pay. Just pay. What will it take to restore pay to C2K levels.? People have been quoting 2 3 and even 4 billion dollars. All of those figures are completely made up.

The real figures are that restoring pay to C2K levels will be about 750 to 850 million. Not the billions that have been stated so often that you might assume it is fact.

And since you've mentioned the fact that we'll have two more pay raises between now and the end of this contract, that will make restoration to C2K levels less than 60%...not more. You say I conveniently forgot to mention this. Not at all. But since you mention it, restoration to C2K levels from the end of our current contract will be even less than 60% bumps in pay. Nice job Einstein.

Again, one step at a time. I'd love to see if this thread can get pay agreed to. But since you mention the DC, let's talk about that. There was no DC in C2K. Just millions per year in funding the DB plan. The DB plan is gone for fDAL pilots and the fNWA plan is frozen. I don't know the exact figures, but it would seem to me that millions in funding a DB plan cancels out a 14% DC plan. Would like to know the exact figures though.

Carl