Originally Posted by
capncrunch
That is what I don't get.
Why are people like ACL65, Alfaromeo, sailingfun, slowplay, Pineapple guy, etc fighting so hard to lower expectations? There is no real incentive to tell the rest of us that "little bites" is the way to success.
When a guy comes on here and fights for restoration, I understand. They want the best they can get. When a guy comes on here and tells us a small percentage is plenty, I begin to wonder.
What is ones motivations to shoot low and try and lower everyone elses expectation? Suspect at best.
I have been on this board almost since it's inception and over that time I gained a lot of respect for the folks on here. Unfortunately, when I see someone tow a line and argue the unarguable, I lose respect.
This thread has certainly shown who are real Delta pilots and who are management pilots.
I have given up. Those on here that lower expectations are the same folks on the inside of ALPA. It's clear to me that no matter how much we argue, they will stay the course.
The only hope I have at this point is well beyond contract 2012. It's clear where where the ALPA folks are taking that ball. The hope lies in the reality that if they choose to "take a small bite", it will actually prove to those on the fence that ALPA has run it's course and is done.
That is the best I can hope for judging from the comments of those on the inside.
You might be right capn, but I can't help hoping that actual facts will eventually win out over BS and made up figures. We had people talk about C2K restoration being great but the company can't afford 2 billion. Then 3 billion, then 4 billion. I'm waiting for the figure to climb to 10 billion!
I might be wasting my time, but I want to slowly find out exactly how much restoration to C2K will actually cost Delta. Then and ONLY then can we make a fact based decision and not one based on the latest made up figure. What I know now is that it will cost Delta 800 million extra dollars on day one of a new contract to restore our
pay rates to the C2K peak at
Delta.
Carl