Old 12-07-2010 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by frmrdashtrash
But the union just said it's ok to fly extra......
Originally Posted by Groundhog
What union and what airline?

If you are talking about UA, CAL or any other ALPA carrier with pilots on furlough, then that is the message that the union must put out. When UA ALPA lost the lawsuit, the judgement applied to all of ALPA. If you are an ALPA carrier and your contract allows for JR manning or the picking-up of open time, ALPA cannot send out a message condemning the use of those tools. Sending out such a message would be considered a work action, and would be counter to the injunction handed down by the court.

Some will use the message as a rationalization for their actions. Others will see the message for what it really is.

Hog


"What it really is", is/should be spelled out in the contract.i.e. No open flying above X amount during a furlough or a flat out ban on open time....whichever is voted in by the members.

And no, not rationalizing, as I never work any more than i have to.
Zapata,

In my thread, I was responding to frmrdashtrash. I specifically asked which airline (since not everybody is a UA pilot, or even an ALPA pilot). I was trying to show that there may be a reason that the union is putting our that specific message. My intent was to show that the true meaning of the message may be different than what is on the face.

For whatever reason, you chose to insert yourself into the discussion. Yes, we can all agree we would like to see the final language before we sign a contract, and we would like to see most of the sections have iron-clad restrictions for every condition. We don't have that. Sometimes you don't realize the pitfalls of a particular contract section until it bites you. You seemed to take exception to my claim that pilots will rationalize their actions that may be detrimental to the pilot group by pointing to the contract, or in this case, pointing to a union message. In the absense of concrete and unambiguous language, I would hope that pilots would act in the best interest of the pilot group as a hole, as opposed to individual gain. You seemed to indicate that since there were no restrictions (in your contract, I guess), then you were free to do whatever you want. You are right. That statement seemed to highlite my point.

Hog
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