Picking up open time/ extra during furlough
12-07-2010 | 01:02 PM
#81
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Zapata,
In my thread, I was responding to frmrdashtrash. I specifically asked which airline (since not everybody is a UA pilot, or even an ALPA pilot). I was trying to show that there may be a reason that the union is putting our that specific message. My intent was to show that the true meaning of the message may be different than what is on the face.
For whatever reason, you chose to insert yourself into the discussion. Yes, we can all agree we would like to see the final language before we sign a contract, and we would like to see most of the sections have iron-clad restrictions for every condition. We don't have that. Sometimes you don't realize the pitfalls of a particular contract section until it bites you. You seemed to take exception to my claim that pilots will rationalize their actions that may be detrimental to the pilot group by pointing to the contract, or in this case, pointing to a union message. In the absense of concrete and unambiguous language, I would hope that pilots would act in the best interest of the pilot group as a hole, as opposed to individual gain. You seemed to indicate that since there were no restrictions (in your contract, I guess), then you were free to do whatever you want. You are right. That statement seemed to highlite my point.
Hog
In my thread, I was responding to frmrdashtrash. I specifically asked which airline (since not everybody is a UA pilot, or even an ALPA pilot). I was trying to show that there may be a reason that the union is putting our that specific message. My intent was to show that the true meaning of the message may be different than what is on the face.
For whatever reason, you chose to insert yourself into the discussion. Yes, we can all agree we would like to see the final language before we sign a contract, and we would like to see most of the sections have iron-clad restrictions for every condition. We don't have that. Sometimes you don't realize the pitfalls of a particular contract section until it bites you. You seemed to take exception to my claim that pilots will rationalize their actions that may be detrimental to the pilot group by pointing to the contract, or in this case, pointing to a union message. In the absense of concrete and unambiguous language, I would hope that pilots would act in the best interest of the pilot group as a hole, as opposed to individual gain. You seemed to indicate that since there were no restrictions (in your contract, I guess), then you were free to do whatever you want. You are right. That statement seemed to highlite my point.
Hog
(for the record, we do have restrictions in our contract under a furlough and I believe that our pilots should not breach those limits. I was just saying that there is an element that would lambaste those pilots for picking up open flying...even if they're respecting the limit in the contract)
12-09-2010 | 08:34 AM
#82
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I've flown with some real *******s before, guys who I wouldn't count on to back me up in any circumstance.. I've then witnessed these people become ardent supporters of not picking up OT during a furlough. I was always skeptical that they were suddenly so altruistic. I thought their attitudes were more about opposing the company than helping others. Just my opinion though.
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