You have a good point, and I do beleive that what the current Association on property is trying to do is level gains out across the 12,000 pilots.

Scope is very important, and even in the revered C2K, there were material changes to SJS in it. Everything has a cost.

As for your posts about backpedaling Carl, Not one bit. C2K rates may happen, may not, may be too little. Like I keep typing and you keep ignoring it is too early to put that hourly demand out there. I have told you that if UCAL and AMR are still at it, C2K rate and cost restoration even without inflation will be very hard to achieve. It is about costs to the company and about yesteryear to the pilots.

The profession has to right itself around, but what PG's graph shows you is a line, that C2K went way above. Well that "correction" above was met with a drastic correction in the other direction.

Whatever the gains made in a mid term contract improvement, extension, or C2012 are, they need to be be able to be sustainable, and for more than the next 11 years or so that you may be on property. I also think that no matter what the initial raise is on this next PWA, the rates will be close to C2K sometime in the effective dates of this agreement. That can be done, with a modest raise of 20% and 5,5,5,5. That would put a whale capt at 328 an hr on the amendable date of the agreement.
225 x 20% = 270 an hr day one.
270 x 5% = 283.50
283.50 x 5 = 297.68
297.68 x 5 = 312.56
312.56 X 5 = 328.19

The above is to illustruate to you that even a small raise and a four year agreement gets you to those raise. This rate would apply Jan 1, 2017 the first day that this sucker is amendable if we did it this way. Start with a 25% or more raise and it looks even better. Point is that there are many ways to get to this point. You want to do it day one, which I do beleive will take at least five years to get. Doing it this way gets you to that point on or about the same day that you would be back at the table going for another 20, 5,5,5,5.
Most pilots see that the option that your are spitting on offers more money to them and their families over the long term, if you cannot get 100% retro. That little point has been discussed in others posts.

Your pension is frozen, not terminated. If I were you, I would be worried about this company going back in to CH11 and that sucker going the way the other DAL pilots pensions went. I am a little surprised that you do not mention that. Get costs so out of whack that this airline cannot compete with its competitors like the last cycle, that that will happen. Call it managing you expectations if you will, but it is not that, it is more about trying to get pilots to no repeat history despite themselves.

Jaberwock is correct, Scope is very important. All of it. We will be tested on International Scope going forward, and that language is more important that anything else. Pay means nothing if you cannot back it up.