Originally Posted by
satchip
So who would you blame if a contract was ratified by 50.1% that gave a big pay raise but gave up 100 seat scope or relaxed work rules that alleviated the need for pilots?
I have sat at dinner with Captains that said they will sell 100 seat scope in a heart beat if it put more money in their pocket. They will strangle the company so it goes belly up they day after they retire.
I started this bomb throwing in response to a certain 74 captain who said junior guys should take one for the team and suck up the furlough. The "profession" will be better for it. Clearly I don't paint all senior guys with that brush, and if I gave that impression I'm sorry.
We all have one vote. We all vote our own self interests. Just don't tell me that mine don't matter and I should be altruistic for your benefit.
"Restoration" really sticks in my craw. The past is the past. You can't get it back. To pine away for it is counter productive and will only leave you bitter. What we get paid is a function of the market. Who knows, maybe the market will dictate higher than C2K rates. I doubt it but I am willing to trust the market.
Why is my repeated concern for job protection and security whining when some others repeated lamentations about pay rates not? Both are at the root about money. Money you you lost or money I may lose. Both are devastating to career earnings. You've been through it. Don't be surprised when I don't want to go through it.
Bottom line is I think I have just as much right to my job as Carl or DAL or anyone else here. When they say I should suck it up and gladly accept being unemployed for the good of the Profession, I'm going to fight back.
satch, youre barking up the wrong tree here (at least with the people that post on this site and I would say a good majority of the guys I encounter from day to day) in that guys aren't talking about giving up job protection or scope in exchange for pay increases. No one is! Carl, despite what he said about "suck it up" has never advocated any scope relaxation, in fact has adomantly opposed it.
So, your entire premise of taking a furlough for a good contract is a result of some incredibly deep misinterpration that you just haven't been able to let go. I'm a good bit junior to you, and I can see it! Open your eyes! All your posts have been lately revolve around that one premise when it is deeply deeply flawed.
While the topic giving up any job protections/scope comes up a lot on here NO ONE supports it- not the deep entrenched alpa guys, not the militant dpa guys, and not those that fall somewhere in between.
I've flown with one guy that has said he doesn't really care about scope and what happens with it over a period of just under 4 years here. Scope givebacks are done, job givebacks are done- I don't see ALPA supporting it anymore and obviously the DPA wouldn't either.