Originally Posted by
SrfNFly227
You apparently did not read my quote carefully enough the first time. You ask how long it took us to get to this point before, and that answer is in my post.
Pinnacle negotiations for TA2 began on March 8 and ended on June 24. Total time = 109 days (give or take a few cause I'm tired). At that time we put on ice. That 109 days includes weekends and time when the NMB was unavailable.
Joint Contract Negotiations began during the week of Sept 10. I am not sure which days we were negotiating that week, so I'll start counting on the 10th. It is now December 12th. Total time = 94 days (give or take a few cause I'm still tired).
You say how much quicker we have gotten to this point, but it is really only 15 days. And in the Pinnacle only negotiations, we weren't even at the table from May 13-June 21 while we waited for our turn with the NMB. With that in mind, it could actually be argued that we made more progress in less time under our own negotiations than we are now under the joint sessions.
Hopefully that is a wake up call to some of the "progress is being made" people.
I was kind of hoping you would see just a little bit more into it. When we started in sept we were all being told we were using the best of all 3 companies and TA1 but we still didnt officially have any of those things TA'd for the joint cba and we really were starting from scratch. We are now at a point that essentially took you guys 5 years to get to.
Originally Posted by
Kellwolf
The things that needing fixing from TA1 were what was being worked on for our TA2. Those are the sections currently open in the JCBA right now. So, it's taken us this far to get where 9E was back in January. Don't throw your arms out of your sockets patting yourselves on the back. THIS is why 9E guys are so skeptical. We're to the point where the company has been dragging their feet all along.
Just found out that the CAL MEC and XJT MEC are backing us up in JFK. So much for ALPA not supporting the picketing.....
Are there any improvements in the current deal over what you had in TA1. Assuming they don't reopen anything that is ta'd and change it of course.
And CAL and XJT backing you for the walk is nice but you can't compare that to XJ and 9L. We are directly involved in what is going on. I'll take the word of the guys on the front lines over someone who isn't involved anyday.
Originally Posted by
Kellwolf
There were times when the company wouldn't even let the negotiators out of their trips to negotiate, though. MEC reps would have to start calling guys asking them to pick up the negotiator's trip so they could meet with the company.
The company really seemed in no hurry, which is why not many of us were shocked when we hit the 45 day "deadline," and the company didn't want to meet again for another couple of weeks. Once again, if they really wanted to "get it done," why wait so long? I mean, DW isn't gonna miss Thanksgiving for anything, but come on.
Don't things seem different now? Or are they still not allowing your guys to the table and we just haven't heard about it? They seem to be willing to come to the table 4-5+ days a week now which is a lot more than they showed you(i know the mediator hampered things). I do agree about that somewhat bloated break for thanksgiving. I get that the MEC's were tired and put in some really long days, but a few weeks seemed excessive.
Originally Posted by
AxialFlow
You are correct, there were no scheduled negotiations yesterday. The memo said "by the end of the week", which was yesterday.
The by the end of the week was a "hoped for" kind of thing. It wasn't an official deadline.