Originally Posted by
ebl14
With your MEC's strategy you will be "hopeing" for a long time with nothing to show for it. You want to know how I know, just ask me or any other Pinnacle pilot.
Again, it took you 5 years to get where we are right now AND there are things in this JCBA that are better then what you were asking for for TA2. I call that progress.
Originally Posted by
Kellwolf
From my understanding from the negotiators, TA1 isn't even coming into play. The starting points for negotiations were XJ's current contract, what was already agreed to in TA2 and what was agreed to on the Colgan side. The company has already tried to back out of things that were agreed to in TA2 already as well as existing things in the XJ contract.
Well them trying isn't a surprise. It's there job to not succeed and I think the JNC has done a good job of preventing their success so far.
The biggest complaint we keep hearing is we're on our own and National doesn't support us. We bring up other airlines such as ASA, FedEx, Delta, CAL, XJT, all other ALPA carriers walking the picket line with us....and we get told it doesn't count. Which is it?
I haven't been one of those complaining about the national support. I don't really think that's a rational debate. If they didn't want it to happen i'm sure they would have intervened. There are way bigger things on the table then wondering if national supported the walk such as trying to focus all this emotion and infighting toward a positive result that doesn't have the pilot groups hating eachother.
The word on the street here is DS is supposedly gonna be present at the negotiations next week, and that gives the feeling that next week is the finale. I hope I eat my words on Fri night (or Saturday or even Sunday if they take it that far).
Edit: Upon re-reading the process agreement, the company CANNOT deny leave for the negotiators as they did on previous occasions in our Section 6. The agreement is pretty specific on that. So, at least that's a positive change.
There were some meetings without the NMB that CLOSELY resembled what we've got going on now. The NMB was called in when the company started digging in their heels. The company continued to dig in their heels even with the NMB, and we were put on ice.
I hope you eat your words too
I don't know if DS being there is going to help or hinder things though.
We are still light years ahead of the timeline it took you guys to get where we are now. I just dont think informational picketing is worth much of anything and the timing of it wasn't the best. When you are so deeply involved in something you have emotions that blur what is really going on. It's like jet fans thinking they were going to score a touchdown the last two weeks
I think the emotions of 9E are getting in the way of Unity amongst the 3 groups.
Because there are no more official deadlines. Not that the official ones really mattered anyway. We're already a month past the original "drop dead" deadline as it is.
Not quite a month just yet but deadlines have only served to get the pilot groups heated. I dont' really think anyone thought that 45 days was really going to be possible and PNCL shouldn't have started with it.
Originally Posted by
Kellwolf
My guess? XJ guys would have been out there supporting us in MSP and DTW at least. Informational picketing isn't out of the question from the time the contract becomes ammendable. Now, it doesn't make sense to stand outside with a sign that says "Fair contract now!!!" when you're working under a current, mutually agreed upon contract unless there are concessions being asked for. Once said contract becomes "ammendable," then it's no unheard of for informational picketing to start. Continental pilots were picketing in June to bring awareness to a fair contract for all pilots, and they hadn't even got a transition agreement in place yet. We've had one of those since Sept 1st. I didn't see the United MEC saying "Wait....hold one. Management might play nice." They joined them, along with other ALPA airlines. Here ya go:
ALPA Channel Player > June 9, 2010 - Continental pilots rally to tell management: We are the key to a successful Continental-United merger
So, it's a "rally," but the intent is the same.
XJ supporting you 5 years ago is akin to cal and xjt supporting you now. I'm sure they would have but had they been involved then and decided it wasn't the right thing to do then they would have a very valid point.