You, or should I say I, get the impression that ALPA says to the ATA something like: "The FAA said 1500 hours is the minimum airline entry level. You guys (ATA) say that is too much of a barrier to entry and will drive pilot costs through the roof. We (ALPA) will recommend 500 with some training and it will sound like we compromised...when in reality we just want more bodies so we have more influence in DC.