Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Well, there is always a cost. You certainly don't think management gives us anything for free, besides water and peanuts. Everything in the contract has a cost, it will be figured by management, and every improvement you want will also come at a cost. I don't know why that is a hard concept to understand, or even one that should be a matter of contention. I am shopping for a new car, every little thing I want to add to a car, including car mats, has a cost to it. I decide what cars and what options fit my budget. If I want the V6, maybe I skip the moon roof. The choices go on and on.

Why should it surprise you that those same principles should apply to a multi billion pilot contract. If you want to make reserve better, there will be a cost. So what. Maybe the MEC decides that cost is worthwhile for the pilot group or maybe they don't, that's democracy in action. If they decide it is worthwhile, then it will impact gains in other sections of the contract. Those are just immutable facts and should not vex you. Instead, you merely need to convince your fellow pilots and your LEC reps that those costs are more important than other costs. We have 12,000 different opinions about how our contract should go, so don't be surprised if you opinion is not followed 100%.

I have never said your opposing view has no value, it is just if we disagree then you are the skeptic and I am the evil one who is keeping you down. Can't we both just be two people who disagree, why do you have to try to drag me down just because we disagree on tactics. I have a right to express my opinion just as forcefully as you do.