[QUOTE=Freightpuppy;937957]It's two different arguments. No, if I left a good job for one that I thought was better and it turned out not to be, I would be p***ed at myself.

Hey M,

I don't think you mean it this way (benefit of the doubt since I don't know you but we have mutual friends) , but you come off as very condescending and a little insulting.
Is it unreasonable to expect a job in aviation and not expect to be furloughed at some point, maybe so...I've been furloughed, many of us have been furloughed numerous times...and yet some seem to make it their whole careers oblivious to other's realities. When I came to UPS, the one thing that guys that were here a long time said to me was, "...we may not have made the same amount of money as our counterparts flying passengers (up to this point), but we have always had security here..." Things were different here at UPS, when furloughes were announced, guys weren't saying, "suck it up, it's part of the career", they were saying, "it will never happen." Naive ? Maybe so in the big picture, but that was the reality over here, you would have a job until you retire....so....some guys left what they perceived to be GOOD jobs for what they thought was a BETTER job, some left regionals for "the next step", some were furloughed already and damn happy and lucky to have another chance at a career....I am getting a little long winded here, but my point is that this furlough situation SUCKS.
To sit here and say that we should be ****ed at ourselves for coming to UPS when it was the best decision for each of us at the time we made the decision is idiotic. There is no reason to be ****ed at ourselves, there is every reason to be ****ed at the situation and how the company handled this furlough. To move families to Anchorage and leave them stranded, to tell the pilot group that they aren't even thinking about a furlough and then three weeks later a furlough is announced, to take money from the MOU and then cancel it and decide to furlough anyway, to park airplanes and outsource using SCS, to throw guys on the street saying there is no flying to be done while we turn away or act uninterested in military flying or flying freight etc, hiring everywhere else and talking to the pilots at those other companies and having them tell me/us about how much UPS stuff they carry on a daily basis....it goes on and on...so, when you see what this company is doing to try and keep people on the street (not that they are intentionally trying to do that, but that is what is happening with their many poor decisions).... People *****ing about how they left a good job to come here only to be furloughed doesn't mean that they don't take any personal responsibility for accepting the job here at UPS, it means (I think, I could be wrong) that they are sick and tired of the idiotic crap that is going on around here when this entire furlough seems unnecessary.