Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
As for the second part, I have no issue rocking the boat, and speak my mind to anyone who listens, but I respect the process and realize I am one voice out of 12,300 pilots. That is the reality. I do not pick up my toys and go home when I do not get my way. I am used to the word, "NO," but I do not see that as a deterrence to doing the pilots work, nor working to better our careers.
By the way, you are doing poorly, and another mischaracterization of reality.
The problem I see is that your "mind" appears to be part of the collective now. At least that is what you are speaking here these days. ALPA talking point after ALPA talking point. Not at all the way you sounded just a little over a year ago. Sorry, but other than some lip service here and there, I have seen very little change in ALPA. Your thoughts, however, are another story. A lot of change there.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
Reality is that I hear the same thing from this group of sellouts you claim occupy our MEC offices. We all want the same things, we just differ on who can get their the quickest and then sustain it. Big difference.
Sorry, but I've got to come back to good old, basic, common sense and time tested successful practices. You don't reach your goal in any business or organization without first identifying it and clearly communicating it so that everyone is on the same page. ALPA has failed miserably in this extremely important first step.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
You ever think that a mid term agreement may sell you short of what your potential is, and what you could get in section six?
No. Anything we could get "mid term" just raises the bar and makes a lower percentage needed to achieve in Section 6. Plus, it does one other very important thing (well, actually a couple of things). 1) It let's all concerned parties (including even those in our own pilot group) know that we do not consider our current level of compensation some kind of new baseline. 2) It gives us a chance to evaluate the "relationship" that ALPA worked so hard to build with management during the Lee Moak era. With bankruptcy and the threat of liquidation long behind us, our current bankruptcy/emergency compensation is clearly inappropriate. Correcting this is simply the right thing to do on the part of management. Let's press to test on this and see if this "relationship" is legitimate or not. If they agree, then we all have more much needed money for our families and a better base from which to start Section 6. If they refuse, then we have a better idea of what we are dealing with and how to proceed going forward.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
Another question. What do you think will make DAL management just throw money at this group when we are under an agreement that is not amendable?
See my comments above.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
If they did, do you think it may quell the angst of this group to the point of being ineffective when we are in section six?
I would bet that a mid term adjustment my be like adding cold water to a pot getting ready to simmer. Might just put too much of the fire out. Just remember that if we get a mid term agreement and then UCAL and APA get agreements that leap frog ours. We jumped up and then darn it, they patterned up on us!
This is just my opinion, but I think that is a real stretch. As I said above, I see no downside to asking for a mid contract partial pay restoration. In fact, I only see upside with this, one way or the other. And if we get something like SWA pay mid contract, and UCAL and APA leap frog us before our Section 6... well again I only see upside to that. This isn't a race! I don't care which pilot group is the highest paid at any particular point in time. I only care that we are compensated appropriately. If us getting a mid contract increase helps UCAL and APA to get better contracts, well then we will have helped ourselves with this whole pattern bargaining thing you seem to think is the only way to go. Your argument on this just doesn't make any sense to me at all.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
You want Dots, those are dot you need to consider. I also wonder, a few months ago you were ranting about restoration or bust, not you are talking about a mid term. To me you seem like you are willing to accept just about anything to further the ball down the field. Sure glad the guys in ALPA are not willing to sell our pilots short like that.
That's about as intentional a misrepresentation as I've seen from you. Show me where I've "ranted" about "restoration or bust." (Hint: you aren't going to find it.) I've talked a lot about setting objectives and making sure that all of our actions are oriented around those objectives. I've pointed out how ALPA is failing miserably in this area. I've stated that I believe we've settled for agreements in the past that we should not have accepted. But that doesn't translate into "restoration or bust." Give me a break. Even you know better than that.