Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
If we want restoration etc, we need to first unify under the organization that will produce the best chance of that result,
Kind of hard to do when the "organization" continually argues that true restoration is "not realistic."
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
And how would you feel if DALPA went and stated that we want retirements or bust, but you want pay and not a DC? Fact is that until you can put out a "goal" you must know what the board wants. In our case the board is the line pilots and the medium is the contract survey. After that is completed you will see the goals come out. It is not something new, and it follows a proven process of section six talks.
I am so tired of folks like yourself hiding behind that. It doesn't take a survey or poll (or rocket scientist) to determine that the general goal is to restore our profession back to the point where it can provide for our families in a similar way to how it provided for decades. There are a million different ways to slice the small stuff... but pay and scope are the two "biggies." And I am also extremely tired of this mentality where you think we have to give up something ("but you want pay and not a DC?") to get something. Have we not already given enough? Was a 42% pay cut not enough? Was the termination of our pension not enough? Was outsourcing thousands of our jobs to regional pilots not enough? What more do you think we should give?
Here's the way I see it. This is NOT going to be a normal "give and take" negotiation. We are FAR from a normal situation! Or put another way, you don't dig yourself out of an unprecedented, extreme emergency by going about business in a slow, lackadaisical manner. Read my lips, "NO MORE GIVEBACKS!"
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
As I have stated, a mid term may be done, but the pilots need to be polled first. It will undoubtedly cool the collective temperature of the pilot group down. Depending on where the other cards may be, that may or may not be a good thing.
It is business to them if they are willing to part with a raise with no extension to the contract great. I just see any "mid-term" raise coming with restrictions and or conditions.
See my above. A mid term without a quid pro quo would be a great thing, but the reality is that there would be conditions to it.
See my comments above.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
I am too lazy to look back six months on this and the L&G tread. My recollection is that you were irked that we would not ask nor demand such a thing starting now. I will give you that when faced with some criticism, you even stated you do not expect the touted 73% raise, but you still want it out there today.
That is a misleading paraphrasing of what I have previously said. And I absolutely did not change my story "when faced with some criticism."