Yup. Failed twice.

That argument is used quite often by those who don't want things fixed because they are wedded to the status quo. Saying: "Hey, I love the status quo" wouldn't garner much sympathy. But saying: "The issues are very complex and don't allow for easy answers" is a much better way of saying you love the status quo. It's a tactic used constantly by bureaucrats, and sadly, it works. When Einstein was writing his theory of relativity universal gravitation, his inital formula was scoffed at by his "peers" because it was too simple...it just couldn't be correct. Now we all know E=MC2 was both simple and correct.

My goal is to get guys other than you to realize BS when they hear it. For example, using the word "fragmentation" to describe the effort of organizing an in-house union. Or using the word "unity" to describe back door entries to our seniority list.

I've decided that our efforts at an in-house union should be described as "patriotism." I'm all about patriotism. You and the other ALPA forever types are against patriotism.

Being against patriotism will just never work acl.

Carl