Originally Posted by
wally24
On the question of "have you ever failed a checkride", how do you answer that. I trained in a 141 school, and if you did not pass a check ride, you had remedial training, and then went up for a recheck. The school does not send anything to the FAA saying you failed, but it says "unsatisfactory" for the checkride in the student logbook. Then "satisfactory" when you pass.
How do you answer this is an interview? Bring a professional logbook instead of the training logs? Technically you failed, but by university policy, you did not.
Excellent question. I am usually of the "disclose everything if in doubt" philosophy, however 141 checkrides conducted IN HOUSE may not need to be disclosed.
I was a 141 DE at one point. Unless something has changed dramatically a 141 "checkride" (Final Stage Check) cannot really be failed, rather it is merely incomplete.
The details of 141 training do not go into FAA files, including "Incomplete" stage checks.
The school retains the records for 3 years. Technically the PRIA does not apply to initial pilot training, so there is no reason or legal basis for an airline to request or recieve 141 training records. I suppose they could call and ask, but the school would NOT be immune from liability if they bad-mouth you.
Note: If you train at a school and subsequently work there as a CFI, airlines can and will do a PRIA request, and that request could end up including your training records. This is not required, and when I responded to PRIA request for former CFI's I included records related to their employment proficiency checks, but I specifically excluded records from their initial rating training (student records).
If processed correctly there is never a pink slip involved in a 141 stage check. Occasionally an ill-informed DPE who is called on to perform a 141 Final Stage Check will erroneously issue a pink slip...in this case it may be in your FAA record. Try to get your school to correct this immediately.
My recomendations:
1) Do not disclose intermediate stage check "incompletes". Part 91 students don't have to disclose that they had a rough lesson halfway through their instrument rating...why should you?
2) You don't have to disclose Final Stage Check incompletes if they ask "did you ever fail a check ride?" If you want to tell them about it just to show you're honest, go ahead. But if you had multiple failures, you may want to exercise your 141 privilege and not say anything. If they ask specifically about 141 training, better be honest in that case.