Bear, I agree. Probably not the right verbiage (and I'll change it). Because the old mindset was to get the Regional job as a stepping stone to the majors and all that included (higher pay, better schedule, etc). So really management has screwed us all, because that RJ job hasn't been a stepping stone, it's been a destination. So, one way or another, management got the best of us this time. The question is, how to play this game going forward? Whose got the gonads? ALPA, anyone home?