That's the problem, Karnak... no objective from ALPA. Almost HALF a decade after the bankruptcy/emergency has been over, ALPA refuses to set any kind of objective addressing the fact that we continue to be compensated as if the company is still in dire straights in bankruptcy and in danger of being liquidated. If you look at what comes out of ALPA, you would assume that everything is just fine and we're doing pretty good. Look at Lee Moak's letter where he touts that we've reached a "milestone" in getting our rates back to pre-bankruptcy levels. Incredibly misleading! Maybe even intentionally so.

So, if ALPA continues to refuse to define our objective (and by all indications, this continues to be the case), then we need the debate. If it's not going to come from ALPA... and it's not going to come from individuals (because ALPA basically thumbs their noses at them), then it can only come from something like the initiative DPA is pursuing. Like I said before, whether DPA succeeds or fails... at least it is hopefully forcing ALPA to reconsider that there is a significant number of pilots who are completely dissatisfied with ALPA, and an even greater number of pilots who are so disgusted they've just disengaged, and that maybe if we ever have any hope of getting "unity", then ALPA better change course with a clear focus on getting our profession and our careers back on track.

And speaking of the huge number of pilots who are not engaged. I don't think you can claim your view point to be the majority view point. These disengaged pilots do not necessarily support your view point by default. Or put another way... the view point that has been "carrying the day" for the past 5 years or so is not necessarily the view point of the actual majority of our pilots by any means. No one knows what the majority view point is... because the majority of our pilots do not participate in the process.