Like I said before and I am not going into a ****ing match with anyone who is not here, no one here is asking anyone for sympathy,, yea we have set the standard in the industry and things are uncertain at times but I think thats at every airline, Things are not Stagnant as you would think, what you hear in the rumor mill and see on most of thease forums are not entirely true, we still have FOs upgrading in 3 years or so, some senior FOs decide not to upgrade for what ever reason, as far as I know we are hiring , you say its ashamed what has happened to Comair,, well explain to me exactly just what has happened here.....