I would consider quotes by "Buddha" an emotional argument and not fact-based. Stick with the facts please...and by the way, the easiest way to influence ALPA and management, it seems, would be to just vote "No", as stated previously, if the negotiated contract fails to meet expectations, just as Hawaiian pilots did in the past. Perhaps that would manage ALPA's low expectations and force them higher, despite warnings of, "This is the best TA you'll get."