I know this will come as a huge surprise to those "negotiating" on the company side, but we're all f$%*^ng tired of taking it up the a$$ at the hands of UCAL. I can only hope that the F/A's throw up the bull$hit flag and call the company out publicly. This is going nowhere for any of us, and frankly I don't believe that we'll (the pilots) see any sort of honest negotiation prior to us forcing the companies hand through a release or after all other labor groups settle. Once again, the workers in this industry (arguably the nation as a whole) have been forgotten and/or forlorn. Will be interesting to see how those in control deal with no middle class to buy their goods. And the race to the bottom continues...Too bad we're collectively in such a hurry to get there. I hope the rich build some high walls around their compounds...

Scott