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Old 05-14-2011 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Carl,

Again you assume this what happened was a "scope cave in" and not a "scope sale." The history is clear. It was a sale. Bargaining credits were received in exchange for farming out flying
Look Bar, you weren't even around when this nightmare started...I was. The "Bargaining Credits" headlines that you constantly trumpet only happened at the end of the nightmare just prior to bankruptcy at NWA. That term in our union letter was a way to save face by our union negotiators who were faced with negotiating with a gun to their heads. They should have just said: "We're going to get our a$$s$ kicked here and its going to hurt bad." Instead, they tried to make it sound that giving away more scope was something they actually got something for in return (bargaining credits). The reality is that management told us that they would just get everything they wanted anyway in bankruptcy, so you better give us everything or we're going C11. Of course we know they did it anyway shortly thereafter.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
considered to be work that was beneath the majority of members represented by the MEC.
Total BS Bar. Again, I was there and you weren't. In the beginning, we were not asked to fly these airplanes and responded by saying that it was beneath us. We were asked to fly these airplanes FOR THE SAME $19/HOUR WAGES THAT THE COMMUTER GUYS WERE BEING PAID. To that, we responded in the negative.

Our failure back then in the majors was to believe management when they said that small jet service was critical to our survival by better feeding our hubs and making the majors grow as a result. Management never had any intention to do that as we now know. Their only intention was to outsource as many of us as possible.

That's the history Bar. Not this divisive BS that so many people like you work so hard to continue fostering.

Carl
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