Bill, what is your problem? I am almost speechless at the level of venon spewing from your trap. I would have to agree with some of the others that you should just leave this board since you obviously have NOTHING constructive to contribute. Its all crying about "paid to trian" youngsters and how nobody wants to pay dues anymore. As a captain for many years now with more hours than you have, I must say, if you hate flying so much do us all a favor and LEAVE! Take one of your "numerous" hobbies and make a career out of it. You must be just an absolute joy to be on a 4 day trip with. So you came up the ranks the hard way...so did I. The respect I had for you for doing that rapidly dwindled to nothing listening to your **** poor attitude. You rag on these younger guys bringing down the industry pay yet you still are voluntarily working for the very same men who you loath. Put your money where your mouth is and again, LEAVE. These young guys are just trying to make their way as a pilot. I don't agree with pay to train but I certainly have no need to be an ***hole about it. Grow up man.