It's got nothing to do with how many hours I have etc. I just know that he's going to sit reserve whereever he goes. He can attack me however he wants, that's fine. But as soon as he jumps ship to fly the jet, he'll see that i'm right.

 

you show your true colors kill bill, a lack of thought all you can do is come up with some pathetic attempt at scarcasm and then pat yourself on the back for it. i voted for you in the other post just because my "knob" desires like a laugh every now and then. i enjoy watching older people get all up on themselves because they think they are some gift to something and should get more then the rest. maybe what you should relize is that these young nintendo kids can come into your job much easier then you did and it scares the hell out of you.

now i can sit here and wait for another one of your "informative" post.

 

oh, this is RICH!

do you actually BELIEVE this tripe?

let me tell you what i've seen personally and heard from others of my vintage who fly with the newbies; the new guys can whack the hell out of the computer but put 'em in raw data when everything has failed? good luck.

p.s. some of us old guys know how to use the computer, too... AND we know how to fly and knew how long before we got to the majors.

i don't think i'll be quaking in my boots any time soon.

 

Just to clarify...

Why do I get the feeling that the decline in the industry payrates are being blamed on neewbies?(please dont just say pft...arent unions made to protect salaries?)

Wasnt PFT brought back to life by the airlines and not pilots?

Cant you credit lower pay scales to a weaker economy, regionals flying bigger planes, higher gas prices, competeting airlines?

I am a young guy who has been flight instructing for over a year built up my hours and am now looking for an airline job. So please dont castrate me I am working to build time. I am just curious in an industry that all we hear is you better get in now cause who knows what tomorrow will bring, why are we being mocked by the older pilots that we are in too much of a hurry?

 

it's not a problem to be in a hurry. the "huge demand for pilots" i've heard about since before i even started flying has never materialized. back in the ancient days (early to mid '80's), guys actually had to have time and experience to be hired and that system actually worked well. where the problem lies is guys that get hired through some PFT scheme and think they "know something" at 500 hours. they don't. plus the emphasis today is on the "box" and not on basic airmanship and that part frightens me.

how much time did those pinnacle guys have between them and what were their ages? they were just out for a goof with an empty airplane and ended up killing themselves. with age and more experience i doubt they would have been screwing around.

so PFT if you want--just don't tell me how much you know about it all when you're done paying your 500-hour dues.

 

this is one statement I am in complete agreement. Automation is a great thing but if it fails alot of pilots will be hurting.

 

Hey Punk, (I kinda like that, wish all my FO's would use that handle )
I don't think newbies are being blamed for the industry's current woes, just being shown how they are being used help bring down pilots wages.
The pay for training thing rankles a lot of us, but having said that, who out there (primarily civ guys) would not have done the same when they were trying get a foot in the door??
A lot of what is driving down pilot compensation can be laided at the floor of airline pilots themselves. Scope clauses, or the lack of an effect one, is a big part of the problem. Airline pilots when confronted with small propeller planes flying code share with their carrier, showed no inclination to bring this flying in-house and oblige their (new) brethren to start working at their airline flying a Navajo
The Navaho's begot Beach 99's which became Shorts 330's which became ATR-42's......... you get the picture. Now the industry is looking at 100+ seat "regionals" with more seats than many DC-9's. The industry, not content to just hire some company to provide crappy pay and no benefits is looking to whip saw them against one another to save a couple more dollars by paying regional guys even less (and for FO's I'm not sure how that is possible).
Good luck on your endeavors in pursuit of an airline job. There will always be some faucets of this job that will be attractive its just may be money is no longer one of them.

 

thanks for the help guys. Right about this time Im looking for an airline job (1100tt and 170me) and am going through the upgrade time over jet time in my head constantly. I think Im leading more towards the prop airlines cause itd be fun, IMO, to fly in and out of the smaller airports for awhile. Ill admit Im young so I dont care about the speed at which I move I just want the opertunity to get there.