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Have you air whiskey guys been told what % of newhire classes you'll make up at United through the CPP?

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Nobody seems to know. Even the union apparently doesn't have any info. The company claims to have a number but they don't seem inclined to share at this time.

Attrition seems to hover around 10 per month without the CPP. Even assuming the CPP only took 5 per month that's 15 per month total attrition. There are currently 500 pilots on property. Assume 20% of those pilots don't want to move on. That puts a new hire today at the front of the CPP line in 24 months. Lots of assumptions here but I don't think they are unrealistic.

Another thing to consider: staffing targets are 800 pilots total and AW is going to hire aggressively to meet that. Use the same math above and anyone hired today will be better than 50% up the seniority list in 12 months IF they can keep newhire classes relatively full.

TLDR: It's a great time to get hired at AW.

The language reads that United will accept X number of AWA pilots per year to take the Hogan. Not per month, per year. We dont know what that number per year is. It could be very small.

United's initial assessment for 2018 is 400-500 pilots.

As of right now we will be filling somewhere between 1-100% of every UA new hire class with our CPP.











AWA pilots are on a need to know basis when it comes to information from ATW.

Right now, we don't need to know.

Amazing.

You'd think the "growing pains" that were experienced with the UAL-XJT CPP would have been worked out by now.

Meaning, some transparency between management and the AWAC MEC.

They kept XJTALPA in dark for a long long time.

The ONLY way the XJT MEC could tell the HPI pass/F2F "acceptance" rate was via the pilots self reporting their results.

IIRC, that lasted about the first 6 months of interviews.

How do you even figure 1%?

The CPP is an opportunity to take the hogan test. That is all.

Fixed for you.

ha! at least someone else understands how this garbage works

It's a carrot to get people in the door while upper management continues to ignore ****ed off employees that continue to get abused and threatened almost daily. A junior FO won't see any results from this because the company can barely stay afloat as is.

All they did was lie (shocking I know) that our CPP would be like a flow and so much better than everyone else. What we got was more of the same.

Come here knowing your CPP won't matter and management will treat you nothing like family and more like trash.

Could a new hire FO go to united via the CPP? Of course. How many years will that take? Nobody knows. It could be a long time. This misses the point though:

The CPP generates movement and movement = better quality of life, a faster upgrade, faster PIC time resulting in a more attractive resume and a faster off the street hire. The CPP is a win for everyone at AW even if it is small and even if a new hire FO gets hired off the street by UAL or SWA or AA or [insert major here] before their CPP number comes up.

For those who plan to just wait out the CPP and hope it works out I think they will be very disappointed. It can be a great way to get the list moving but it's not a career plan. See the numbers I posted earlier in this thread though and I think it will only make a good situation that much better.

Who hurt you PKP

No one hurt me. But paying attention to what they're doing to all the front line employees here. Family oriented company no more. The stories of people being threatened to get flying done or else YOU will cause a flight to cancel is sickening. They did to themselves and then they have to audacity to blame us when everyone is being run ragged and exhausted. Things could be worse, but this place is a far from sunshine and rainbows like they continue to claim.

Very good advice .... the same applies to all the flows programs.

Flow is a totally different beast.

Wait didn't you leave Air Wisconsin and go to Compass? :rolleyes: I went from Piedmont to American. What's your excuse?

Still at mainline. Better than stuck at a regional until burnt out by 65

20 years is a long time.

Close... I was at Piedmont just short of 16. :D However I loved every bit of it. You'll never have as much just at the majors as you did at the regionals. Enjoy the time there.

FIFY. Thanks for the advice! Should we also learn how to type and spell words in the meantime? Or is it better to remain un-hireable and wait 16 years to flow? Please we need more of your great career advice!

Billyflow.. :p

As frustrating as this job can be at times, I completly agree. There have been stretches where it's been non-stop fun on overnights. There are people at this company that make going to work very enjoyable. Funny enough, the best stories I hear come from the guys and girls who flew for ZK.

Two months ago I sat jumpseat on mainline and watched two grown-ass men have an argument about eating meat. Which ended up with awkward silence from about Kansas City to Philly.

Enjoy what you have now.

Enjoy your time at the regionals. You'll never get to go to Coachs Pub in MKE again once you go mainline. Not sarcasm either. $1 taco Tuesdays

Just let me know how the CPP works out for ya. :D

I'm just grateful that people who go through the CPP actually have to interview.

And know how to read and write.. ;)

AA must be an interesting place. Half the people they hire are out of the military. Disciplined, educated, generally great people to work with. The other half is made up of 16 year regional pilots that have the intellect of a trout and needed the flow to be able to go anywhere.

Make sure you tell that to all those 16 year plus captains at AWAC. :rolleyes:

So basically many that wouldn't have been even looked at for an interview now can get one. Like I said since you're knocking the flow just let me know how that CPP works out for ya.:D

You can't possibly think that the flow will produce better applicants for AA than the CPP will for UAL. The people who pass the CPP interview will actually have shown that they can prepare accordingly, act like a professional, and properly use the English language to write up a resume that doesn't look like it was made by a child. :rolleyes:

That made me laugh harder then it should have

Dude are you really trying to make flying into rocket science? You realize that you don't even need a college degree to figure out that if "you pitch back the house's get smaller, if you pitch forward they get bigger.... and if you pitch back and they get smaller and keep pitching back they'll get bigger again real fast." Give me a damn Break. I flew at Piedmont, got through AA Training and have fun flying with every Captain I've ever flow with.

Give me a damn break with your English and looks. If you want to see how professional I look I can meet up with you in Philly anytime you like. Hell I'll even buy you a coffee and show you my paycheck stub. I think it'd be fun! I can even share stories of my Piedmont Interview with you. Maybe it will help you with the Hogen Test.

Hopefully, NOW.

When it first started, you'd be surprised at who made it and who didn't.......

This is just too funny! This guy can't even spell Hogan correctly. No way is someone like you going to pass any type of interview at a legacy. Billyflow indeed! It's amazing how you try to down-talk the profession just to justify your inability to move up on your own. Stryker is right, AA must be an interesting place to work. Professional, driven military folks being forced to work with lazy clowns like this! :eek:

I'll let you know when I reach your age 20 years from now if I have yet to reach a legacy. That way you can have the last laugh :rolleyes:

hahahah.. Young Buck you got a ton to learn about the industry. The job isn't hard at all. It's weirdo's like you that make the job hard.
I get to work when I'm suppose to. I wear my uniform like I'm suppose to. I stay groomed like I'm suppose to. I operate my plane like I'm suppose to. I'm prepared for CQT like I'm suppose to.

The end of the day most of us professional driven pilots (Military or Regional) do one thing the same. We try to make as much money and work as little as possible.

Not sure what your hard on is over Military pilots. My dad was a military pilot for 32 years. He put his pants on just like I did.

Like I said you got a ton to learn young buck.

I can't stop laughing! But it's a bit sad. You don't value the profession, and AA doesn't value you. That's why they don't bother interviewing you or your future coworkers. I suppose you wound up in the right place! But yes, keep making more excuses for your lack of qualifications. I just feel sorry for the real professionals that work there.

Billyflow :)

I can post GIFs too! Anything else? :rolleyes:
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