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Imapylot 03-25-2020 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Omnislash (Post 3010325)
You know that the LOA affects everyone, right? Your first April bid was nullified as soon as United eliminated that flying. The LOA actually keeps pilots on property while dealing with United's reduction.

Yes, I am aware it affects everyone and I didn’t need your help realizing that. My statement that you quoted stands.

iceman21 03-25-2020 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Imapylot (Post 3011336)
Yes, I am aware it affects everyone and I didn’t need your help realizing that. My statement that you quoted stands.

You might find your statement a bit shortsighted when us junior guys are out on our asses without a job and your normal lines are 60 hours of getting "offed in the a" as you say. You won't have the junior guys to blame then.

Thank you for affirmation that we should all just look out for our own self interests in ****ty times.

dremaldent 03-25-2020 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by iceman21 (Post 3011347)
You might find your statement a bit shortsighted when us junior guys are out on our asses without a job and your normal lines are 60 hours of getting "offed in the a" as you say. You won't have the junior guys to blame then.

Thank you for affirmation that we should all just look out for our own self interests in ****ty times.

Hate to say it, but some of the senior guys don't care... Look at Commutair. They put it to a vote. Senior guys voted it down. Furloughs now

Imapylot 03-25-2020 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by iceman21 (Post 3011347)
You might find your statement a bit shortsighted when us junior guys are out on our asses without a job and your normal lines are 60 hours of getting "offed in the a" as you say. You won't have the junior guys to blame then.

Thank you for affirmation that we should all just look out for our own self interests in ****ty times.

I’m not going to keep going back and forth on this. I said I was glad that the LOA temporary prevented furloughs. I also said that the LOA was detrimental to my schedule and pay for April. Neither of those opinions are going to change by you trying to make me feel guilty.
Fact: the LOA prevented furloughs.
Fact: I am making less money next month with no extra days off.

RAHkid94 03-25-2020 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by iceman21 (Post 3011347)
You might find your statement a bit shortsighted when us junior guys are out on our asses without a job and your normal lines are 60 hours of getting "offed in the a" as you say. You won't have the junior guys to blame then.

Thank you for affirmation that we should all just look out for our own self interests in ****ty times.

You guys got cut a low 5 figure bonus check recently right? If anything it should be easier for a new person to survive on zero for a few months than senior people surviving on 60. If this goes on much longer we’re all screwed anyway.

dead meat 03-25-2020 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by dremaldent (Post 3011357)
Hate to say it, but some of the senior guys don't care... Look at Commutair. They put it to a vote. Senior guys voted it down. Furloughs now

Not exactly true regarding Commutair. The MEC met with the company and came up with the MOU that outlines everything. The company proposed 55 hour monthly credit across the board, but it would've involved furloughing about 40% of our pilots, along with a number of concessions to our already weak CBA. The MEC countered with no concessions and a couple options on monthly credit, and way less furloughs. Unfortunately, we still had to furlough about 20% of our pilots. Overall, it could have been a lot worse considering we lost 60% of our flying.

iceman21 03-25-2020 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by RAHkid94 (Post 3011371)
You guys got cut a low 5 figure bonus check recently right? If anything it should be easier for a new person to survive on zero for a few months than senior people surviving on 60. If this goes on much longer we’re all screwed anyway.

A few months yes, but several months, not me. I have a big family and my wife was just laid off. Income is now cut 2/3rds.

Short term fix for a junior guy, sure, but in the long term the senior Capt who makes 60/hr more than I do shouldn't really be all that ****ed off about a 15 hour reduction per month for a few months while 3/4 of the country is out of work.

Just thoughts from myself who is a little anxious I guess.
[MENTION=93788]Imapylot[/MENTION] I see your point and apologize for beating the dead horse/laying a guilt trip.

tonsterboy5 03-25-2020 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by RAHkid94 (Post 3011371)
You guys got cut a low 5 figure bonus check recently right? If anything it should be easier for a new person to survive on zero for a few months than senior people surviving on 60. If this goes on much longer we’re all screwed anyway.

most junior people also paid 2-3x inflation adjusted to get to where they are for 1.5x salary inflation adjusted. When I hear people like you complain about not being able to survive on 60 and being senior makes me wonder how you got so far in your life without learning how to save. Not to mention all the “senior” guys would be just as grumpy if they ended up on reserve cause everyone below them got down graded. It would really suck for those captains who thought they were senior but end up getting down graded to senior fo. They will be *****ing about that pay cut more that 75 to 60 hours

GA2Jets 03-25-2020 12:48 PM

As a fairly junior person, I appreciate that everyone is currently making a sacrifice for my sake. Please try and remember though that losing a job has a huge financial impact on people, bonus or not, not to mention an emotional impact. Given the economy, maybe I'll be able to find a new job or maybe not. I have expenses and a family too...

Taking a paycut, is far more manageable for most of us than an altogether cessation of pay. Especially when our prospects of getting another job have fallen in a dramatic way.

idlethrust 03-25-2020 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Omnislash (Post 3010312)
Here we go with your ignorance again. You pretend to think you know how things work only because you would like things to have gone a different way. In reality, you would probably complain no matter what happened.

That "POS contract" was approved overwhelmingly by the rest of the pilot group. Just because you like to talk a lot, your opinion does not matter more than the rest of ours. The contract also does not govern how representation is handled. You would know that if you would actually reach out to your reps and ask them questions, instead of firing ignorant shots from behind your keyboard. I've talked to my rep continuously over the last few weeks and it sounds like the MEC was provided a lot of information and had to make a decision with that information. That is literally what they are in their positions to do. The fact that you think that this should have gone out to vote, means that you are uninformed, and then delusional if you think that we could have conducted a vote amongst the pilot group in next to no time at all.

Thanks for being a team player. All of us are in this together and you are not the only one that is going to temporarily receive less pay so that we can keep all our pilots on property.

If you think you have the solutions and out of the box thinking that will solve all of our problems, why don't you actually volunteer to help the group or apply for a management position where you can actually make some change. When this is all done, I hope we all keep our jobs and this industry flourishes again.

Everyone knows Omni is an all Co guy.
He lives for this place.Its his life, maybe the best thing that ever happened to him. You say anything negative about it and he will chop your head off.
He thinks everything the co does is in our best interest.


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