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LAXtoDEN 02-10-2021 11:28 AM

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/10/united-airlines-orders-electric-vertical-aircraft-invests-in-urban-air-mobility-spac.html

I’m just going to leave this right here. Not going to speculate, but this backs up the death of 200’s.

Also added 150 shares of the stock ($ACIC) to my portfolio. Looks like Mesa is involved.

dremaldent 02-10-2021 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3193287)
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/10/united-airlines-orders-electric-vertical-aircraft-invests-in-urban-air-mobility-spac.html

I’m just going to leave this right here. Not going to speculate, but this backs up the death of 200’s.

Also added 150 shares of the stock ($ACIC) to my portfolio. Looks like Mesa is involved.

“Our entry point is around $3 per passenger mile in these markets, which is roughly equivalent to maybe a ride-sharing company today.”

This is a long way down the road, even says so in the last part of the article. Can it get down to $3 a passenger-mile, probably eventually. In the next 3-4 years? Probably not, especially considering you would need to pay the pilot to fly the aircraft. Even a short distance flight would take at least 15 minutes or so when you factor time to take off, land, etc.

Even then you need to factor in how those aircraft will actually work in the system. I doubt O'Hare will allow them to land enmass at the airport, and there's no way they'll be able to land on roads legally. I just don't see this scaling at 2024 except for people who are able to spend a lot of money for something like this, and there's no way they can take over the role of RJs because they can only travel 150 miles. We regularly do longer flights than that.

DarkSideMoon 02-10-2021 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3193287)
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/10/unit...lity-spac.html

I’m just going to leave this right here. Not going to speculate, but this backs up the death of 200’s.

Also added 150 shares of the stock ($ACIC) to my portfolio. Looks like Mesa is involved.

This is competing with Uber and Blade, it’s not even close to a -200’s mission.

LAXtoDEN 02-10-2021 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3193306)
This is competing with Uber and Blade, it’s not even close to a -200’s mission.

I think you’re both missing my point. I think this shows UA is going in a different direction and joining the EV movement. Would not be surprised to see a big order of A220’s in the near future, which opens up the 175 scope.

Not making an argument for this competing with the 200 market, I think UA is really done with them though. We’ll see I guess.

Escargot 02-10-2021 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3193311)
I think you’re both missing my point. I think this shows UA is going in a different direction and joining the EV movement. Would not be surprised to see a big order of A220’s in the near future, which opens up the 175 scope.

Not making an argument for this competing with the 200 market, I think UA is really done with them though. We’ll see I guess.

Alternate theory:
UA is doing corporate "greenwork" so no one scrutinizes the emissions released into the upper troposphere. The old musician's trick, "look at my left hand..."

dremaldent 02-10-2021 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3193311)
I think you’re both missing my point. I think this shows UA is going in a different direction and joining the EV movement. Would not be surprised to see a big order of A220’s in the near future, which opens up the 175 scope.

Not making an argument for this competing with the 200 market, I think UA is really done with them though. We’ll see I guess.

Oh yeah, I agree with that. Thougt you were saying those were competing for our flying. A220s are definitely possible, but will take time to get still. Maybe early next year at the earliest.

Escargot 02-10-2021 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by Escargot (Post 3193349)
Alternate theory:
UA is doing corporate "greenwork" so no one scrutinizes the emissions released into the upper troposphere. The old musician's trick, "look at my left hand..."

*magician's trick

IDriveJets 02-11-2021 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat (Post 3193227)
Back to the topic at hand, as pointed out on the G7 threads, G7 named by Mesa as getting more 700’s (550’s) on an 8 year deal. Not sure what ATW expects from us when they put out zero communication. Last email from CEO was over a month ago, starting to feel like the AA wind down all over again...though this time there’s not a magic savior at the end of the tunnel. I’ve tried really hard to be optimistic, but the companies actions don’t show us to much to be optimistic over. 700/900 additions were 5 years too late.

For all AW’s management savvy and brilliance, I personally think they got too comfortable and complacent with the 200 because they’re paid off and were earning them buckets of money.

What I’m guessing they didn’t consider was the ugly side of it all and they thought they’d escape unscathed like they did previously and everything would be hunky dory with the 200s again.

It almost seems like they’re now trying to play catch-up adding the 700 and 900 to the operating certificate when others had them for years already.

The simple fact is AW doesn’t even have the airplanes on the fleet/property so it’s all hearsay and speculation for now.

Like all things AW, until we can physically see those planes on property and believe it, is when we have them to fly.

As for communication between management and employees, they really need to work on that. It’s almost like Viceroy Gunray in Star Wars saying “no need to report that to him until we have something to report.”

WhiskyWhisky 02-11-2021 07:35 AM

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GA2Jets 02-11-2021 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by IDriveJets (Post 3193602)
For all AW’s management savvy and brilliance, I personally think they got too comfortable and complacent with the 200 because they’re paid off and were earning them buckets of money.

What I’m guessing they didn’t consider was the ugly side of it all and they thought they’d escape unscathed like they did previously and everything would be hunky dory with the 200s again.

It almost seems like they’re now trying to play catch-up adding the 700 and 900 to the operating certificate when others had them for years already.

The simple fact is AW doesn’t even have the airplanes on the fleet/property so it’s all hearsay and speculation for now.

Like all things AW, until we can physically see those planes on property and believe it, is when we have them to fly.

As for communication between management and employees, they really need to work on that. It’s almost like Viceroy Gunray in Star Wars saying “no need to report that to him until we have something to report.”

You know it's bad when Star Wars 1 makes a good analogy 😂😂


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