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ImperialxRat 05-03-2017 08:28 PM

I don't see how this MOU could enhance our quality of life when its only function is to limit our ability to trade trips.


Originally Posted by Arctichicken (Post 2356648)
The intent of this MOU was to free up trip trading since in the past, emaestro/crew scheduling would deny a great majority of trade requests in the name of "lack of reserve coverage". It worked for a little while, that is, until Crew Access (aka Crew NoAccess) came along. The company and the author of Crew NoAccess programed this sodomizer to deny any and all trades that do not meet the MOU criteria. So in essence, the company took this MOU which was designed to enhance our QOL and turned it into yet another anti-pilot weapon of destruction. I'm not against PBS but could you imagine what this company will do if we hand them the keys to PBS or any other scheduling venue?


OCCP 05-03-2017 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by Arctichicken (Post 2356809)
Welcome to the jungle.



....it gets worse here everyday
You learn to live like an animal, in the jungle where we play

Arctichicken 05-03-2017 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by ImperialxRat (Post 2356893)
I don't see how this MOU could enhance our quality of life when its only function is to limit our ability to trade trips.

Re-read my post. You must've not been on the property when this MOU was signed. As I've said, this MOU was originally created to allow more trades as crew scheduling/emaestro was denying trip trades solely based on lack of reserve coverage. Believe it or not, it was an improvement at the time. With Crew NoAcces, the company is using it in their advantage and misapplying the MOU to deny trip trades. Capiche?

Arctichicken 05-03-2017 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by OCCP (Post 2356898)
....it gets worse here everyday
You learn to live like an animal, in the jungle where we play

Ya know, this place used to be a pretty good career all before Kasher. 9/11, Kasher and most notably, company's unquenchable greed put our careers in a death spiral. I've learned to detach myself from this place. The company made it clear - I'm not Alaska! We are all just cogs in the wheel and I have learned to accept that. No corporation is perfect but this place gets exponentially dysfunctional day by day. Even in the jungle, life goes on.

ImperialxRat 05-03-2017 10:10 PM

Actually that does help me understand. Thanks for taking the time to explain it again.

i imagine if we give the notice and get rid of this MOU then we would be back to not being able to trade at all due to "inadequate reserve coverage". So while it is annoying to not be able to trade for a trip more than 4 hours out, at least we are able to trade for a trip within 4 hours. Makes sense.


Originally Posted by Arctichicken (Post 2356903)
Re-read my post. You must've not been on the property when this MOU was signed. As I've said, this MOU was originally created to allow more trades as crew scheduling/emaestro was denying trip trades solely based on lack of reserve coverage. Believe it or not, it was an improvement at the time. With Crew NoAcces, the company is using it in their advantage and misapplying the MOU to deny trip trades. Capiche?


WhenPigsFLy 05-04-2017 10:34 AM

Copa virtual merger is next

Foodstamps 05-04-2017 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by Arctichicken (Post 2356007)
I believe the union knew what they were getting into with Kasher and they still went for it. Of course, none of us on here can neither confirm nor deny this as factual info. Ego and emotions got the best of the MEC/NC.
You're right, the arbitrators will consider many factors but I for one will not be voting for anything less than industry leading in all three areas. None of us should accept anything less. This pilot group is entitled and deserves the best. It is long overdue. After all, we are the #1 airline in the U.S. by every standard including profit margin. I'm onboard. Are you?

Amen brother. My orange lanyard is on and it's not coming off till a solid JCBA. I walked the picket line in SF the other day. Scope or a no vote. Industry average or better with legacy work rules ad retirement or they can pound sand. "Doing the right thing" is far beyond the capacity of the snakes in management who give themselves raises on the backs of their most important frontline employees. Enough is enough. Nearly everyone holds unanimous views at VX and we are not backing down, nor should any ALK pilot.

It's garbage, and in this negotiating environment...management is gonna get nailed to the f*cking wall.

~ Stampzilla

Packrat 05-05-2017 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by Arctichicken (Post 2356007)
I believe the union knew what they were getting into with Kasher and they still went for it...Ego and emotions got the best of the MEC/NC.

Exactly right.


Originally Posted by Arctichicken (Post 2356007)
You're right, the arbitrators will consider many factors but I for one will not be voting for anything less than industry leading in all three areas. None of us should accept anything less. This pilot group is entitled and deserves the best. It is long overdue. After all, we are the #1 airline in the U.S. by every standard including profit margin.

Again, exactly right. Its about time Alaska pilots and F/As start getting what they deserve. It always amazes me that the Anglers are willing to shortchange, devalue and P.O. the people they lock their customers in to aluminum tubes for 1 to 6 hours.

And yet, the crews are able to compartmentalize all the Company stuff and deliver outstanding service. I guess they think all the J.D. Power awards come from Puzzle Palace service.

Foodstamps 05-06-2017 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2358008)
Exactly right.



Again, exactly right. Its about time Alaska pilots and F/As start getting what they deserve. It always amazes me that the Anglers are willing to shortchange, devalue and P.O. the people they lock their customers in to aluminum tubes for 1 to 6 hours.

And yet, the crews are able to compartmentalize all the Company stuff and deliver outstanding service. I guess they think all the J.D. Power awards come from Puzzle Palace service.

And they have the audacity to ask them to pimp their credit cards on top of it. (Lead FA on an Alaska flight just made the PA now on my commute...) Hey, make us more money while we pay you nothing in return and give ourselves raises. Now that's #iamalaska

Jetlife 05-06-2017 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by Foodstamps (Post 2358424)
And they have the audacity to ask them to pimp their credit cards on top of it. (Lead FA on an Alaska flight just made the PA now on my commute...) Hey, make us more money while we pay you nothing in return and give ourselves raises. Now that's #iamalaska

I keep telling my wife that being an airline pilot by definition is a white collar job, but it feels like a blue collar job, and it's because of crap like this.


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