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Old 05-09-2017 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Yeah, in arbitration. I'm talking about the original offer that was endorsed by ALPA National. The MEC, however, thought they could win arbitration, so they rejected it.
Not how I remember it. I went to a company roadshow in LAX way before we got anywhere near arbitration. 26% and the A plan is what they wanted from the start. I remember the promise by Ayer that the FOs shouldn't worry about it because with all the growth at 10% ROIC we would be Captains in no time. Lol.
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Old 05-09-2017 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Original AS unis in the '90s were light blue shirts. Best thing they ever did was switch to white so we wouldn't be reminded we were just blue collar labor.

Heck, some airlines wear grey!
Like Virgin.

Honestly can't wait for a real pilot uniform so we can look the part. Never fails when you walk in a pilot uniform to a gate agent to jumpseat and get the, "are you a pilot?" question. I'm all for being cool and hip but if other airline employees can't even recognize that you are a pilot, then the uniform probably has gone too far.
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Old 05-09-2017 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tubby
Not how I remember it. I went to a company roadshow in LAX way before we got anywhere near arbitration. 26% and the A plan is what they wanted from the start. I remember the promise by Ayer that the FOs shouldn't worry about it because with all the growth at 10% ROIC we would be Captains in no time. Lol.
Those roadshows were produced AFTER the MEC rejected the Company's original offer of 11% cut across the board. When it was rejected, the Company's subsequent ploy was to produce the road show at 2 times the proposed cut to drive the MEC to arbitration.

Believe me, there was a LOT of stuff going on behind the scenes that the average line pilot had NO idea about.
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Old 05-09-2017 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Like Virgin.

Honestly can't wait for a real pilot uniform so we can look the part. Never fails when you walk in a pilot uniform to a gate agent to jumpseat and get the, "are you a pilot?" question. I'm all for being cool and hip but if other airline employees can't even recognize that you are a pilot, then the uniform probably has gone too far.
You'd think the stripes would give it away.
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Old 05-09-2017 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
You'd think the stripes would give it away.
Not if you have the soft shell jacket or the pilot leather jacket on. No stripes.
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Old 05-09-2017 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Like Virgin.

Honestly can't wait for a real pilot uniform so we can look the part. Never fails when you walk in a pilot uniform to a gate agent to jumpseat and get the, "are you a pilot?" question. I'm all for being cool and hip but if other airline employees can't even recognize that you are a pilot, then the uniform probably has gone too far.

Have you considered the easy route? Walk up to the agent and say I am an offline pilot jumpseater and I would like to standby for the cockpit jumpseat.

That way you would not have to walk through the airport in fear of a $13 an hour shift worker bruising your delicate little ego by asking "are you a pilot."

Maslow would like to talk to you about your first world self-actualization problem when you have some free time.

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Old 05-09-2017 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Not if you have the soft shell jacket or the pilot leather jacket on. No stripes.
You could be a super douche and take your soft shell to a tailor and get some shoulder boards sewn on. The you could rock some eppies on the jacket and folks would smoke you for a pilot right off the bat.

It would be sweet and would make you feel pretty awesome.
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Old 05-09-2017 | 04:36 PM
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Touched a nerve, eh? I always identify as a pilot jumpseater first when I walk up to jumpseat somewhere, but it still happens. Thanks for your suggestions on the uniform modifications.
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Old 05-09-2017 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Like Virgin.

Honestly can't wait for a real pilot uniform so we can look the part. Never fails when you walk in a pilot uniform to a gate agent to jumpseat and get the, "are you a pilot?" question. I'm all for being cool and hip but if other airline employees can't even recognize that you are a pilot, then the uniform probably has gone too far.
I have no desire to go back to a hat and tie. I dont care what people think I am walking through an airport. Just pay me like the guys in the hat, tie, and double breasted jackets.
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Old 05-09-2017 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Not if you have the soft shell jacket or the pilot leather jacket on. No stripes.
Why in the world do you want to look like a pilot?? I haven't jumpseated/sat (?) in uniform in years . Khakis, polo and lanyard.
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