If Horizon picks up a 100 to 110 sear jet they can offer 20 an hour more than any other regional and pilots will flock there. Problem solved!

Yep. Easily. They own Expressjet!

I wonder if it will get to the point where airlines with better compensation/work rules actively recruit other airlines’ pilots?

A very ignorant statement

As was inferred by the arbiitration panel, both 09 and 13 were opportunities for us to stand our ground and get scope, retirement, retro pay, industry leading pay and job protections.....they were unwilling to do for us what we are always unwilling to do for us...not on the backs of VA or anyone hired post “contract 200” but certainly the rest of us should spend a quiet moment or 2 years and see if we might step up just once this century.....

Yes absolutely.

This was very smart on the companies part...good pay rates your first 5 years...good for recruiting...by the time you realize you are sucking hind-tit career-wise it will be hard to leave.

I hope BM and BT are okay with 5th best on-time and customer service.

Now that is a constructive statement. Work on our next contract starts now... well it should have started long ago but here we are.

It takes brass balls to get a good contract! "ABC" Always Be Conflagrating

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This is a very confusing time for me. I feel like I've been kicked in the nuts. I've never been so upset at getting a moderate pay raise in my life. I'm angry at my employer for what they think of me and how they disrespect me. I'm unhappy when told I'm #5 and that I will always be #5 because that is simply what the business model demands.

I believed that I was worthy of pay and benefits equal to my pears at other airlines. Those other airlines make less money pound for pound when all the accounting is done, but that does not matter. What matters is size (head count) and wide bodies.

So, it is what is it is. I'm to old to move on and start over. I know that for the remainder of my career I will act differently due to the actions of my management and their business model. They desire that I accept being #5 for my career - they have demanded that of me. So, I will be the best #5 Captain I can be. No extensions, no radio calls to fix this or that, no pushing to "gitter done" in any way. Just go to work, provide safe transportations to the pax, assuming the company has put everything else in place to support said operation without me doing others work outside of my cockpit. Then go home. Simple, safe, no problems. Do my job and allow others to do theirs.

I also need to start working on my sick leave bank. As a man gets older I have noticed the aches and pains that creep up some days. No point in exacerbating them by sitting in the cockpit all day. I can get paid 25% on the dollar for those unused sick days once I retire or I can get paid 100% on the dollar if I use the sick days before I retire. What to do, what to do.

The really confusing aspect of this to me is that we (Alaska ALPA) apparently are 100% happy with this decision. I may be the only Alaska pilot who has literally had sleepless nights since the award came out. I may very well be the only guy who was kicked in the nuts and is still looking for the frozen peas. Why do I say this? Because we have run a near perfect operations for the last two days since the award. So, a moderate pay raise, still leaving us behind other 737 pilots (and FiFi pilots) and slipping further and further behind with each passing year is A-OK with this pilot group. Hell, management has yet to even acknowledge that there was an award! Not one word, not one breath from our management that anything even happened! And why should they? The operation is running 100%, so all those pilots must be happy! I would have expect at least one other man or woman here to have tossed and turned in bed as much as I have been the last two nights and found themselves unfit for duty the next morning - but I guess not.
Well back to work you highly efficient #5 pilots. Gitter Done!

I was flying the past 2 days. No, you are not alone, and the operation was far from perfect.

Step away from the Kool-Aid Mr. Jones.

Do you really believe the drivel you just spewed. You're ok providing arguably one of the best products out there for a discounted wage?

If I were you, I'd start delivering the 5th best everything. 5th place in On-time, 5th most efficient fuel burns, go 5 times the distance around weather, deliver 1/5 the PA's the other carriers do, 5 times as many maintenance write-ups ect, ect.............

Bet the F/A's are next for this 5th best nonsense as well and they too should provide the 5th best in everything!!

Anyone who condones this as satisfactory should be ashamed of themselves.