Arbitration
 

Day two of arbitration hearings started at 0830 today. As of 2030, the hearing was still ongoing.

Quite the marathon session!

Someone must have brought the good scotch early.

Not to hijack this too much, but please try and keep the silence in the process so they don't get any ammunition to use against us. Just through Sept 29 written brief due date. After that, have at it :)

But yet your post breaks this silence you talk of? Anybody not in the know is now wondering what processs and what ammunition?

Arbiters are known to use anonymous message boards in almost all of their findings.... be very careful this could put a wrench in the whole kit and caboodle

Mgt sometimes does, ask Spirit pilots. The hearings are over now so we're most likely out of the phase where something online could be used against the pilot group.

final briefings have yet to be submitted. I would be cautious.

WTF dude! How many times have both MECs said not to make statements like this on social media? 10-15? I've already edited my quote of you. You need to do the same!

Not too bright are we?!

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You are all really really slow if you think an anonymous post will have any bearing on our arbitrated award. I wrote the same thing 12 mos ago, the same number$, the same guess with regard to scope. I can tell you, I can't predict the future but I do have common sense. Nothing any of us write will have any bearing on this award. This award was completed 12 mos ago when LUV, DAL, and UAL got their contracts. It was only solidified by HAL and AMR getting their contracts. You must believe in unicorns and Santa Clause too. Go bury your head in the sand for the next 52 days then you can be surprised by the award... shocked, astounded, amazed. It really isn't hard math. But remember we only got the #s we got because no one posted the football codes on an anonymous board.

For the record my personal # was $280 plus 4% and 4%. When comparing profit sharing this is not only a fair # it is a # the company can easily pay. However, like in the past our union decided pattern bargening requires the big 4 to do all the heavy lifting and for us to just trail along.
How about SLI:
Well I could almost guarantee the first VX pilots will be slotted somewhere between 2002 and 2006. This award will be a win for the very senior at AS and a huge win for the 50-80 percentile of the VX pilots, as the will have a monopoly of the near term upgrades. For the bottom 20% at both companies it will be just a neutral award. To be honest I would guess this group would be much more of a revolving door as these pilots leave for better careers and jobs that were just pipe dreams only a few years ago. Check back in a year... I would bet it will be very close

These are the same people that have said "Trust The Air Group, they made us a promise on SCOPE." The same Company that furloughed when ALPA gave them multiple options to mitigate the total furloughed. The same company that forced based tons of people to ANC when again the Union provided solutions to not move a single pilot. I just hope now in better times that the Arbitrator is reasonable and sticks it to Angle Lake - you guys deserve it. If this does happen you all should start immediate recalls of LEC and MEC and get rid of these Koolaide Drinkers.

Baja.

Not really

How about this, why give them ANY potential ammo right now...

I respect your opinion. I think pretending we are at death com 5 and honestly believing that something that is written on an anonymous board will be used in any fashion in our arbitration calls into question your common sense. Maybe you are this naive but "come on man", you maybe shy but tell me you are capable of rational thought. In your world the Jets are likely to win the Super Bowl this year. So check back in 52 days on the contract and about a year on the SLI. Tell me about my common sense then.

1,000-1: Las Vegas gives Jets' worst Super Bowl odds ever

Just wait til Oct 29. Then let the beotching sessions begin. That's all :D

There's somebody who doesn't remember the 80s.

I think the term you're looking for is "DEFCON".

"Death com 5." Is that like a Rom Com (Romantic Comedy) but with with a lot of Death (to warrant a level 5)? It sounds like a very scary movie.

DEFCON 5 is the lowest state of alert, ie normal routine conditions.

I think the analogy you're looking for is DEFCON 1.

Spot On.

Defense Condition 5 (DEFCON 5) is normal. The country is typically there.

DEFCON 4 is periodically where there are threats and abnormal issues.

DEFCON 3 is after events like 9/11.

DEFCON 2 has only been invoked across all of the US defenses during the Cuban Missile Crisis when nuclear war was likely.

DEFCON 1 has never been invoked across all the US defenses. It would be used for WWIII or if sustained attacks and bombings of US mainland cities were happening.

$Tfu until the award. Until the decision has been made. The arbitrators can do anything!!!!!!!!!!

That may be, but it's the opposite when you're talking about "Death Com."

:D

I totally got a good belly laugh out of this one...never been in the military. Googlefu fail. Epic.

Quiet Arctic Penguins....LOL

Baja.

Arbitration
 

Obviously it’s out of our hands and we’ll find out the decision very shortly, but I think every Alaska and Virgin pilot should read the JNC ledger email from earlier today 10/20. Read the statements made by minneC(sorry I can’t spell his name), then read it again, and then a third time for good measure. If there’s any company boys left, you probably won’t be a company boy after reading it.

They’ve been telling everyone in ops that they are planning on unprecedented hiring next year. My money is on them blaming the arbitration’s outcome when they, sadly, have to reconsider the promised “growth.”

Then they might as well go down to true value and buy a for sale and going out of business sale sign. They are already playing Russian roulette with the companies livlihood... big bonuses will get them through the hard times, it'll be called forced early retirement. For us, we will be starting over at the bottom elsewhere unless we get bought by someone better. Fingers crossed for that. I hate working for Alaska and wish this acquisition never happened.

I wonder what the combined company's name will be once we make love to JetBlue.

Blue Iceberg (with apologies to the movie Blue Lagoon).:D

A little from each company.... "Jet America"!

That's pretty good. I bet the little bastard will still have the eskimo hanging out on the tail. That needs to go...call your airline what you want but please get rid of that.

I’m convinced Alaska has no long term plan.

There is never a plan and they are always scared. Why plan when you can just react. I still can’t believe we were not sold to Delta. We would all be way better off. VX would have been way better off too, apart of JetBlue. The only people not better off... Management, their hands would be out of the till.

Mea25000, I couldn’t agree more. Management on your side and ours screwed us all for their own personal gain.

Or at least just taken the attempt by Delta to get more "in bed" as a more exclusive code share, instead they wanted to codeshare with every competitor and not guarantee Delta the feed it needed to build more of an international gateway in Seattle, thereby forcing Delta's hand to invade Seattle, the PNW and do it's own thing.

I hope their arbitration at least leads to the worlds best compensated 737 pilots!

https://www.forbes.com/insights/50-m.../#687cc2282dfa

Well this is perfectly fitting.

Mea25000,

I agree. I’d much rather be part of JetBlue than Alaska. Unfortunately all of us will be the ones who suffer when this place tanks.

Wow! I’m no company guy but some of the remarks on here are ludicrous. How would VX guys fare better at jetBlue? Do tell. The only thing common that VX and jetBlue have are airbuses and debt. VX pilots win the lottery and now you guys are *****ing? Alaskan management may be shrewd, uncaring, a bunch of conniving rats, fill in the blank, but they are not stupid. Alaskan will not tank, at least not anytime soon.

Won the lottery hahah!!

Alaskan isn’t the darling it once used to be, no doubt. With the hiring boom on the horizon, the able and the willing should jump ship. Let’s face it, VX was never a career airline. It was a slight step above a regional and far from the legacy/desirable majors. I haven’t heard of anyone choosing VX over the legacies, SWA, and FedEx/UPS. I know some of you will be butt hurt but VX boys ‘n girls should accept the fact that y’all scored big. At the end of the day, Alaskan is still a career legacy.